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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:33
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Originally posted by Ted Striker
Your characterization of the American occupation of the Phillipines is UTTER CRAP.
Not only that it is refuted by the article you posted!
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Um, what was refuted, exactly, by that? I explicitely said the American occupation was not brutal.
But the war did turn quite brutal, and American forces engaged in atrocities (as did guerillas):
http://www.historyguy.com/PhilipineAmericanwar.html
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From this point on, the war became a savage, no-holds-barred guerilla conflict made up of ambushes, massacres and retribution. Both sides engaged in wanton violence and slaughter. Villages were destroyed, civilians murdered, prisoners tortured and mutilated along with a host of other atrocities. Many American officers and non-coms had served in the Indian Wars, and thus applied the old belief that "the only good Indian was a dead Indian" to their relations with the Filipinos. This attitude of course was reciprocated by the native forces. |
Did you read the last paragraph, particularly this sentence:
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What they stood for, although it had its sordid racist and imperialist elements, was in sufficient harmony with the desires of many Filipinos to make their conquest and pacification possible, if not easy. |
That's pretty much the sum of what I said. Remember, overall point: occupied nations aren't allies.
Last edited by Boris Godunov on 13-07-2004 at 09:11
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Imran Siddiqui
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The Potterverse
Jan 1970
time: 00:33
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The Philippine colony wasn't treated as an equal, there was a tremendous amount of racism |
Um... it was perhaps the only colony where natives were given supervisory roles over 'whites'. When you have native people in charge of Engineering, ordering white Americans what to do, I'd say that is pretty equal. That isn't even mentioning that the Governors of the Phillipines (including William Howard Taft) asked local Filipino elites about policy before enacting something.
Secondly, I said AFTER the revolt. The Aguinaldo revolt was your cookie cutter guerilla war, where atrocities were done on both sides. Afterwards Americans built up the country and modernized it, actually taking into account what the people who lived there wanted. Filipinos were not anti-American in that period of time in any way. Sure, there were some groups who wanted independance, but they went through it non-violently and through appeals to the Governor and Congress.
Oh, and Ted is right about the US leaving the Phillipines. It was always an intention to leave the Phillipines after the time and effort was put in to make them self-solvent. The annexation of the Phillipines was HIGHLY contested at the time and the only reason it passed was because of the argument that if we turn them independant, Spain or Britain will just take them over again. At that point it was agreed that the Phillipines should have their independance at the first time when it was feasible to do so.
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the "revolt" was a full-scale revolution |
It is only considered 'Revolution' when the revolting win. We don't call the period between 1861-65 as the Southern Revolution.
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:33
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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/07/1.../delacruz040712
a) As much as I disagreed with the Iraq war, those who supported it have a moral obligation to stick it out now. They invaded the country, destroyed all existing legal, military and political structure and thus must stay until they've gotten Iraq back on its feet
b) You don't negotiate with terrorists. If somebody takes a Canadian hostage I hope the Canadian government has the good sense to do everything to get him back safely except for acceding to the demands of his kidnapers
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Like the Philippines should give a **** about Iraq. 50 "humanitarian" troops after the invasion doesn't make an invasion, let alone destruction of anything.
Bushie needed a show of "support" so if the Phils did any bending over and spreading wide, it was for Bush and making a token "contribution" to a foreign war they had no reason to give a **** about, let alone get involved in.
And NOOOOOOOO, we should NEVER DEAL WITH TERRORISTS - the good ol' US of A would never stoop to that, oh, um, Col. North, the messenger from the Ayatollah is here to see you, sir.
I guess all the good Amurkins who are condemning the spineless Flips should have similarly harsh opinions for the Reagan administration and Ollie North.
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