13-07-2004 18:06									#1
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Not much to report, really, except as is commented on elsewhere, the Angels discovered their first tech (thereby taking the tech lead from us)

It isn't Centauri Ecology, nor Doc Mobility (which latter surprises me, as the Angels are primarily the old PEACE faction, and I thought they'd beeline for foil probes)

This suggests one of two research lines:

• Industrial Base >>> Industrial Economics >>> Industrial Automation
  
• Applied Physics >>> Nonlinear Mathematics

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	13-07-2004 20:34									#2
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then i think they take the first one being the angels....but being ex-pirates they might want to avoid the same disaster as last time and go for non. math....

	14-07-2004 01:09									#3
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Wow, how did you manage to dig this stuff up?

	14-07-2004 03:21									#4
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As Maniac mentioned in the battleorders thread, the Angels took the tech lead from us, which means that they now have 3 techs

Click on the commlink, then right click on the faction leaders (you need to have your line in the alphax.txt set to 0 to show leaders before contact is made) This gives you their SE choices and council votes (population, before any vote enhancing SP's)

Now click on a faction leader and offer all techs - this lets you see which techs we have that they don't (Mobility and Ecol)

	14-07-2004 07:41									#5
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Cool. So, gathering info this way is legal, I presume?

Also, I remember reading a thread in the ACDGII archives where Kody was doing some covert ops work for the Hive. He was able to report the number of people in each private forum at given times, trying to discern if there were some big events happening. Is this still possible? How does one monitor the private forum traffic?

	14-07-2004 09:19									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Zeiter Cool. So, gathering info this way is legal, I presume?

Yes - pretty much in all PBEMs since the game's inception

quote: Also, I remember reading a thread in the ACDGII archives where Kody was doing some covert ops work for the Hive. He was able to report the number of people in each private forum at given times, trying to discern if there were some big events happening. Is this still possible? How does one monitor the private forum traffic?

I know that he did, but I don't know how he did it (he did spend countless hours hanging around the 'Ply forums, so maybe it was extremely time consuming)

	14-07-2004 17:34									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie As Maniac mentioned in the battleorders thread, the Angels took the tech lead from us, which means that they now have 3 techs Click on the commlink, then right click on the faction leaders (you need to have your line in the alphax.txt set to 0 to show leaders before contact is made) This gives you their SE choices and council votes (population, before any vote enhancing SP's) Now click on a faction leader and offer all techs - this lets you see which techs we have that they don't (Mobility and Ecol)

WOW! this was completely new to me.

	14-07-2004 19:27									#8
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Some other news. Now Morgan has taking the tech lead, probably meaning they've researched their third tech as well.

Based on the following information:
1) Morgan is running Free Market,
2) The F9 monument screen shows they've built/hurried a facility in MY 2106 already,
3) Morgan no longer has the lead in credits reserves,
4) Due to the method described above we know they don't have Centauri Ecology yet,
I conclude that Morgan has the technologies of Biogenetics (and has hurried recycling tanks with their 100 starting credits - a tactic I've read previously in the AC-General forum) and Industrial Economics (due to running FM).

This also means they have +3 Economy SE now and will be swimming in money. We can expect them to take a heavy lead as the strongest of all four human factions (until someone else comes knocking on their door ).

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http://www.apolyton.net/forums/memb...s&civgroupid=60

This shows when people are logged on even if they have their settings to show they're offline all the time.

Combined with that I was clicking refresh at
http://www.apolyton.net/forums/foru...hp?s=&forumid=6

Whenever I couldn't get to someone's post by clicking the last post icon. I knew someone had posted into their private forum.

	14-07-2004 21:32									#10
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how useful is that? If they have a lot of people online at the same time, could mean they have a big event. But that doesn't mean much to us now.

Now after we discover other human factions and they know our location. then it might be important information esp. if they are reasonably close to us. It could imply battle planning, but then again they could be planning for someone else. We should always be vigilant anyways.

	14-07-2004 23:09									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac 2) The F9 monument screen shows they've built/hurried a facility in MY 2106 already,

Well, technically, it could have been built in 2108 (as they play before us). All we know is that when we open the 2108 turn (in which our Command Center is built) we don't get the "you are first" message

quote: I conclude that Morgan has the technologies of Biogenetics (and has hurried recycling tanks with their 100 starting credits

I agree with that deduction

quote: This also means they have +3 Economy SE now and will be swimming in money. We can expect them to take a heavy lead as the strongest of all four human factions (until someone else comes knocking on their door ).

So who's our first target?

	15-07-2004 04:16									#12
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someone should be appointed to update this thread reculary(Chief Intelligence Officer or something. I don't know), or is the turn player doing it allready?

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quote: Originally posted by Googlie Well, technically, it could have been built in 2108 (as they play before us). All we know is that when we open the 2108 turn (in which our Command Center is built) we don't get the "you are first" message

We can also see who got a facility first in the F9 monument screen. That way we can also deduce Morgan got their first researched tech Biogenetics in 2104.

	16-07-2004 18:57									#14
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aha - I didn't get/see that message when I opened the turn

As of 2109, no SP's started as of yet, and all human factions are still at size 2 pop

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	17-07-2004 08:00									#15
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Now, with Doc Flex, we are back in the tech lead!!

here's the charts from the 2110 turn (and as we, Morgan and the Angels all have 2 population, and are about the same size in powerbars, I deduce that we all have 3 techs, and that the Gaians have only 2 techs as of yet.

So no-one has popped a tech pod yet. But why doesn't the University have the tech lead? Why us?

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	17-07-2004 08:09									#16
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Because I think starting techs aren't counted when calculating the tech lead.

	17-07-2004 17:17									#17
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You could be right, although the formula doesn't seem to differentiate between starting techs and researched techs (nor between starting units and built units) when calculating overall faction might:

quote: Extracted from conceptsx.txt #ADVCONCEPT11 The formula used to compute a faction's might is as follows: ^ ^4 points for each point of population ^4 points for each $LINK ^?? points for each $LINK (sum of Explore, Discover, Build, Conquer values) ^10 points for each $LINK ^ ^For each non-combat unit, add Cost/40 (technically MineralRows/4) ^For each psi unit, add Cost/20 (MineralRows/2) ^For each planet buster, add Cost/10 (MineralRows) ^For combat units, add Cost/10 in ratio of weapon strength to best ^ weapon of any unit currently in the game. ^ ^So a 2-1-2 unit is only worth half value if "4" weapons are the best available.

Although, later on in conceptsx, it says (my bolding):

quote: #ADVCONCEPT4 Your Alpha Centauri Score is computed as follows: ^ ^(1) 1 point for each citizen of each base. ^(2) If you have won a $LINK or $LINK victory, score: ^ (a) 1 point for each citizen of a $LINK base. ^ (b) 1/2 point for each citizen of any other faction's base. ^(3) 1 point for each citizen of a surrendered base. ^(4) 1 point for each unit of $LINK your bases are receiving. ^(5) 1 point for each $LINK discovered. ^(6) 10 points for each $LINK advance. ^(7) 25 points for each $LINK. ^(8) A $LINK bonus if you have won the game.

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2111 report

• University has taken the tech lead from us, as well as the overall lead from Yang
  
• All 4 human factions still at 2 pop size (we go to 3 next turn)
  
• Morgan still the only faction not to be running Frontier/Simple/Survival (they're running Frontier/Free market/Survival)
  
• No other human faction has yet discovered either Doc Mobility or Doc Flex (and neither Angels nor Morgan have Cent Ecol yet either)

	19-07-2004 00:35									#19
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2112 report (turn opened, but nothing moved)

Population sizes:

• Angels at size 4
  
• Gaians at size 3
  
• Sparta at size 3
  
• Morgan at size 2

	19-07-2004 04:14									#20
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Weird. One would expect that, if Morgan had some recycling tanks, that they too would grow a bit faster than normal.

	19-07-2004 04:31									#21
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Next turn will be interesting - if Angels and Gaians are building CP's like us - and if they have the ec's to rush production - we'll see their pops back at 2 next turn (as ours will be)

	19-07-2004 05:59									#22
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Hmm - one other thing re the 2112 turn. I notice that Morgan has ceded the reserves lead to Lal, suggesting that they've rushed something (I doubt that it's a colony pod, as they have enough veteran players to realize that completion and pop increasing in the same turn delays completion, so ec's would be wasted in rushing)

Perhaps a former?

G.

	19-07-2004 06:22									#23
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According to their magazine they build an energy bank.

quote: As a milestone of economic development within the Morganite faction, the first Morgan Industries Stock Exchange has been opened this morning at the capital.

Not sure if that is just roleplay or if it is actually possible.

	19-07-2004 07:11									#24
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But wouldn't they have to be bringing in over 12 energy in that base for them to just break even due to the maintenance cost of the energy bank? With +3 ECON, They'd get 6 energy in the base square, and then AT MOST 4 energy in other squares (river + energy bounus). Otherwise, just 2 energy (due to energy restrictions). So, they would be making anywhere between 8 and 14 energy in that base, and either losing 1 EC/year (worst case scenario), breaking even, or gaining 1 EC/year (best case scenario). I hardly think that would be a good investment at this point in the game. There are so many other things they could invest their money in besides an energy bank.

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I wonder, did the Gaians get some unlucky pod pops early on? Because they've been consistently behind the pack for most of the game so far.

	21-07-2004 09:21									#27
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I know - it's hard to fathom.

They didn't establish their second base until 2104, so lost a couple of years to us (and we lost a year to both the Angels and Morgan who founded both bases on their first turn) - that might have had something to do with their standing

And they didn't keep up with us or Morgan as regards that first tech (2104) - and neither did the Angels (as they play before Morgan, if they had discovered in 2104, they'd have been listed as the first)

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	21-07-2004 09:33									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Andemagne someone should be appointed to update this thread reculary(Chief Intelligence Officer or something. I don't know), or is the turn player doing it allready?

That's pretty much my job:

quote: Originally posted by Googlie in the Command Center thread Junta Officers (so far) (Rank somewhat arbitrarily assigned as per the Spartan Information Screens Chairman of the Junta (pro-tem, during Santiago's indisposition) - and turnplayer: Lt. Colonel Maniac Head of Diplomacy: Captain "General"Tacticus Minister of Defense: Major Jamski Quartermaster: Major Skanky Burns Minister of Information: Captain Kassiopeia Head of Covert Ops: Captain Googlie

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