25-07-2004 21:45									#1
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Teachings of Islam:

Men are superior to women (surah 2:228).

Women have half the rights of men: in court witness (surah 2:282) and in inheritance (surah 4:11).

A man may punish his wife by beating her (surah 4:34).

A man may marry up to four wives at the same time (surah 4:3).

A wife is a sex object for her husband (surah 2:223).

Muslims must fight until their opponents submit to Islam (surah 9:29).

A Muslim must not take a Jew or a a Christian for a friend (surah 5:51).

A Muslim apostate must be killed (surah 9:12).

Stealing is punished by the amputation of the hands (surah 5:38).

Adultery is punished by public flogging (surah 24:2).

Resisting Islam is punished by death, crucifixion or the cutting off of the hands and feet (surah 5:33).

Fate decides everyone's eternal destination (surah 17:13).

Every Muslim will pass through Hell (surah 19:71).

Heaven in Islam is the place where a Muslim will be reclining, eating meats and delicious fruits, drinking exquisite wines, and engaging in sex with virgins (surah 55:54- 56) & (surah 52:17,19).
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Surely such an inciteful religion should be banned. It has no place in our civilised land, boot it out?

	25-07-2004 21:50									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Surely such an inciteful religion should be banned. It has no place in our civilised land, boot it out?

Do you argue that also christianity and judaism should be banned?

	25-07-2004 21:50									#3
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Shall we guestimate, say, four posts till someone digs up a similar list for Christianity?

6/10 as trolls go.

	25-07-2004 21:54									#4
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quote: Do you argue that also christianity and judaism should be banned?

I do. However Islam is the most pressing issue in the fight against religion It's followed closely by American christians.

	25-07-2004 21:54									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue and engaging in sex with virgins

This is the part I don't get, they all get to have unlimited sex with virgins. So, each virgin's only good for one shot. What's happens to them afterwards? Is there some purgatory where they store the used virgins? Do they have sort of re-virginating technique to recycle them?

I'm so confused.

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Who wants to have sex with virgins anyhow? They are useless in the fine art of luuuuuvemaking.

	25-07-2004 21:57									#7
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quote: Do you argue that also christianity and judaism should be banned? quote: Azazel: I do. However Islam is the most pressing issue in the fight against religion It's followed closely by American christians.

Having said that, I am very much against banning anything but on principle, I would say go for it.

	25-07-2004 22:03									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin Who wants to have sex with virgins anyhow? They are useless in the fine art of luuuuuvemaking.

Amen brother. When I want to have sex, I want to know the other person has qualifications. Virginal sex is all awkward and fumbling and "oh is this natural? Oh that hurts!". Bah, useless.

	25-07-2004 22:11									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist Shall we guestimate, say, four posts till someone digs up a similar list for Christianity?

Pretty close estimate:

"Anyone who is not a Christian will burn in Hell forever."

(kinda makes those Muslims look like a bunch of tolerant peaceniks in comparison, doesn't it? )

	25-07-2004 22:16									#10
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Did you make that one up? I don't see any indication where you got that from.

	25-07-2004 22:16									#11
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The bigger question is which religion has more hardcore adherents willing to fight and die for their scripture.

This is an issue the west will have to deal with eventually. It's fine to spout the platitudes about 'minority of Muslims don't believe this..." but the fact remains a significant number do and they are out to hurt us. Our political correctness is crippling us.

	25-07-2004 22:21									#12
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quote: The bigger question is which religion has more hardcore adherents willing to fight and die for their scripture.

Precisely.

I would like to point out that I, too, believe that some ideas are worth dying for. Religion just isn't one of them. Just as murder, and other bad things aren't worth dying for.

	25-07-2004 22:25									#13
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Bah. For every Muslim emptying his AK-47 in the air, there's a Christian equally as nutty.

The only reason the Christian isn't out in the streets dancing and calling for destroying the Muslim heathens is that he's comfortable, in the USA or Europe, reclining in his chair watching, reading, or hearing his familiar TV evangelists and whacko far-right extremist "all non-Christians must die" nutjobs. The EVIL ONE isn't outside his door with a couple missiles to chuck into his house, so he has no need to worry.

	25-07-2004 22:27									#14
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell The EVIL ONE isn't outside his door with a couple missiles to chuck into his house, so he has no need to worry.

Untrue. Airplanes are big fiery missiles.

	25-07-2004 22:28									#15
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All religions are stupid. Throw rocks at them.

	25-07-2004 22:29									#16
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quote: Bah. For every Muslim emptying his AK-47 in the air, there's a Christian equally as nutty.

Nah.

	25-07-2004 22:31									#17
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quote: Untrue. Airplanes are big fiery missiles.

wrong, missiles are kamikaze plane without pilots.

	25-07-2004 22:32									#18
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Azazel, I wouldn't fight for religion either. Except if someone would try to impose their religion to me with violence and declare war on me because of my religion, they would die in my hands and their families would suffer for 7 generations for their ancestors sins. The brutal sight would be described in poems for hundreds of years and songs would be sang as it was the day of hatred and anger and good prevailed! ALLLLL HAIL TO MEEEE!!!

	25-07-2004 22:33									#19
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and you think banning a faith will somehow protect you from it?

protestantism was banned from france and spain for a while, iirc, and look how well it turned out for them in various wars?

	25-07-2004 22:37									#20
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You can't ban a religion. Won't work. We can however be honest with ourselves about the nature of the threat.

	25-07-2004 22:44									#21
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i suppose that's somewhat true. for the catholics of ireland, those damn protestants, well they were a violent threat.

and good thing the japanese banned christianity, because, after all, it was a christian nation that trounced them in ww2.
a christian nation that, no less, annihialated mostly catholics and the underclass in nagasaki...
then again, papists aren't quite christian, are they?

	25-07-2004 22:47									#22
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quote: Azazel, I wouldn't fight for religion either. Except if someone would try to impose their religion to me with violence and declare war on me because of my religion, they would die in my hands and their families would suffer for 7 generations for their ancestors sins.

	25-07-2004 23:11									#23
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I'll bet these quotes were taken from a right-wing website.

	25-07-2004 23:17									#24
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Did you even bother looking up the surahs to see if their summaries were accurate? I just picked one of your summaries a random...

quote: Stealing is punished by the amputation of the hands (surah 5:38)

i quote from an english translation...

quote: As for the man or woman who is guilty of theft, cut off their hands to punish them for their crimes. That is the punishment enjoined by God. God is mighty and wise. But whoever repents after committing evil, and mends his ways, shall be pardoned by God. God is forgiving and merciful

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	25-07-2004 23:18									#25
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Here are some different translations of suran 2:228:

Yusuf Ali: Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what God Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in God and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And God is Exalted in Power, Wise.

Zohurul Hoque: And the divorced women must keep themselves waiting for three courses. And it is not lawful for them to conceal that which Allah has created in their wombs, if they believe in Allah and the Future Day. And their husbands have a better right to take them back in the meanwhile, if they wish for reconciliation. And they have rights similar to those against them in a just manner. Yet men have a stage above them. And Allah is Exalted in Might, most Wise.

T. J. Irving: Divorced women should wait [alone] by themselves for three menstrual periods; it is not lawful for them to hide what God has created in their wombs if they believe in God and the Last Day. Their husband ought to take them back meanwhile in case they want a reconciliation. Women have the same [rights in relation to their husbands] as are expected in all decency from them; while men stand a step above them. God is Powerful, Wise.

T.U. Hilali-M. Khan: And divorced women shall wait (as regards their marriage) for three menstrual periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allâh has created in their wombs, if they believe in Allâh and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses, etc.) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect, etc.) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise.

M. Pickthall: Women who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apart, three (monthly) courses. And it is not lawful for them that they should conceal that which Allah hath created in their wombs if they are believers in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands would do better to take them back in that case if they desire a reconciliation. And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them. Allah is Mighty, Wise.

M.H. Shakir: And the divorced women should keep themselves in waiting for three courses; and it is not lawful for them that they should conceal what Allah has created in their wombs, if they believe in Allah and the last day; and their husbands have a better right to take them back in the meanwhile if they wish for reconciliation; and they have rights similar to those against them in a just manner, and the men are a degree above them, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

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	25-07-2004 23:40									#26
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Male paradise

I think they need some more fem-power.

	25-07-2004 23:55									#27
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Yeah, right wing Christians are the end of the world. I don't remember any beheading any civilians lately.

And for you "OMFG YOU ARE DROPPING BOMBS AND THAT IS THE SAME THING!!!" crowd. We live in democracies, so all of you are cuplable for not stopping them. Murders.

	26-07-2004 00:08									#28
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quote: Yeah, right wing Christians are the end of the world. I don't remember any beheading any civilians lately.

right wing christians do not speak for the christian majority any mroe than extremist terrorist muslims speak for the muslim majority.

i just find it ridiculous to want to "ban" a faith because its texts may have some less-than-savory parts.

furthermore, a lot of that brutality, surprise, surprise, ends up occuring only in third-world or developing nations, whether or not they are muslim. to muddle the brutality that arises from primitive conditions with a religion that in its more modern forms disavows as much of its brutal past as christian religions do...

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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Yeah, right wing Christians are the end of the world. I don't remember any beheading any civilians lately.

That's cause they've lost the artistic edge. Far easier to shoot the family planning clinic's doctor with a sniper rifle. You don't miss Oprah that way.

	26-07-2004 00:32									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild That's cause they've lost the artistic edge. Far easier to shoot the family planning clinic's doctor with a sniper rifle. You don't miss Oprah that way.

and this has happened how many times?

and was supported (publicly) by how many Christians?