27-07-2004 23:11									#181
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer not the bible... just the jewish and christian faiths...

There's a passage in Quran where Muhammad, or better put God himself speaking through him, accused Christians and jews to have faked some parts of their texts.

	27-07-2004 23:14									#182
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yeah, as i said, they supposedly inserted things.

	27-07-2004 23:32									#183
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quote: You mean universal in the meaning of: "90% of the muslims is of arabic origin"?

Actually, less than 20% of Muslims are Arabs.

	28-07-2004 00:55									#184
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Shot to the heart
And you're to blame
You give 'slam
A bad name
(bad name)

	28-07-2004 01:21									#185
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer even liberals turn into full-fledged bigots.

Says the man with 'Albert Speer' (Hitler's architect) as his nom-de-plume.

'Hitler was always a strong supporter of Speer, whose designs were considered expressions of National Socialist principles. After Minister of Armaments and War Production Fritz Todt was killed in an airplane crash in 1942, Hitler appointed Speer as Todt's successor.

Speer worked diligently to increase war production, often through the use of slave labour, even though it became more and more obvious that Germany was facing imminent defeat. In his autobiography, he claims that he had no direct involvement or knowledge of the Holocaust, although he faults himself for blinding himself to its existence.'

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Slave labour? Couldn't 'see' the Holocaust?


Priceless.

	28-07-2004 01:23									#186
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quote: Shot to the heart And you're to blame You give 'slam A bad name (bad name)

Been on the OOzo again?

	28-07-2004 01:26									#187
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Shot to the heart And you're to blame You give 'slam A bad name (bad name)

	28-07-2004 01:26									#188
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I'm not english to get inhumanly drunk then try to rape some but ugly compatriot cow then puke and pass out on my puke in the middle of the road. You have managed to attract the pity and disgust of a whole continent!

Congrats!



In short, no.

	28-07-2004 01:42									#189
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 I'm not english to get inhumanly drunk then try to rape some but ugly compatriot cow then puke and pass out on my puke in the middle of the road. You have managed to attract the pity and disgust of a whole continent! Congrats! In short, no.

No, but you're a modern Greek.

How awful for you.

Even I can find it to have some sympathy for you.

	28-07-2004 01:44									#190
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You know, I find it hard to take someone seriously who said that the Koran is wrong because it said Jesus' mother was Miriam and not Mary, while not realizing the Miriam is the Arabic name for Mary!

	28-07-2004 01:45									#191
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"I'm not english to get inhumanly drunk then try to rape some but ugly compatriot cow then puke and pass out on my puke in the middle of the road. You have managed to attract the pity and disgust of a whole continent!"

Stop being racist!

And what are you talking about.

	28-07-2004 01:47									#192
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui You know, I find it hard to take someone seriously who said that the Koran is wrong because it said Jesus' mother was Miriam and not Mary, while not realizing the Miriam is the Arabic name for Mary!

When clearly it's wrong because it wasn't written in middle management accountancy course English, to give Obi Gyn an opportunity to quote from it showing why gay marriage is a bad idea.

	28-07-2004 01:49									#193
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I think I understand PA's irrationality:

some Christians are violent fanatics, therefore, Christianity is inherently a violent-oriented religion.

Same with Muslims -- some are violent fanatics, and therefore, Islam is inherently a violent-oriented religion.

	28-07-2004 01:49									#194
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quote: You know, I find it hard to take someone seriously who said that the Koran is wrong because it said Jesus' mother was Miriam and not Mary, while not realizing the Miriam is the Arabic name for Mary!

You can't trust Christians for a minute. After all, they rewrote history, calling Joshua "Jesus," the bastards.

	28-07-2004 01:59									#195
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I'm not racist, you are english!!!




here's a biased toward gays (english) article. imagine how it would be written by normal people!!!!





Our man in Ibiza quits over 'degenerate' Brits

St Antonio: Behaviour of Brits has angered Birkett

The British Vice Consul, has quit his post on the holiday island of Ibiza over the 'degenerate' behaviour of his fellow countrymen.


Ibiza is a haven for clubbers
After 18 months in the job, Michael Birkett, 51, says holiday makers flying in from the UK make him "ashamed to be British".

A Foreign Office official confirmed: "He will be leaving his post on Monday."



DJ Jason Bye: "I'm glad he's gone"
Mr Birkett was angered by the way young Brits behave when they flock to the island for sun, sex, booze and drugs.

A locally-recruited official, as opposed to a career diplomat, he was on duty on the island at the weekend, dealing with the problems of British visitors.



A blast of Ibiza - on CD
Mr Birkett is said to be divorced from his Spanish wife, and worked in Madrid as an accountant at the British Embassy for several years before he moved to Ibiza.

He is quoted in The Mail on Sunday, saying: "I have always been proud to be British but these degenerates are dragging us through the mud.

"The young people are out of control. I am so angry at the degrading behaviour and the bad name Britain is getting in Europe. I knew it was time to leave.






english, phew stink.


and modern greek has plenty of advantages, one of them being well being yourself and an inheritor of the best culture ever! flows in your vains, you act like it and in justapostiction come the english animals.


it's all good!

	28-07-2004 02:03									#196
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As for the UK its you after all are getting drunk, puking your guts out in the streets like animals and pulling down trousers, just to show us that your old Monarchy system made you the most miserable people all over Europe....i feel pitty for you.....

Stop saying "God saves the Queen" and say a prayer instead for the pitiable people of your glorious empire!








sad gits :sympathysmile:

	28-07-2004 02:06									#197
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 I'm not racist, you are english!!! english, phew stink. and modern greek has plenty of advantages, one of them being well being yourself and an inheritor of the best culture ever! flows in your vains, you act like it and in justapostiction come the english animals. it's all good!

The 'Modern' Greek- drinks Turkish coffee, wears Levi's (American) jeans, drives a German car, listens to bouzouki music on a Japanese hi fi, and looks back to the last time his culture amounted to anything- Alexander the Great.

How sad. Our sincerest condolences.

	28-07-2004 02:12									#198
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It's Greek coffee, turks got it from byzantium, it's greek jeans although most now hate them and go for more stylish wear, about bouzouki there are wonders to be found in there, japanese hi-fi is good and we are doing plenty. your knowing only about alexander it's your fault.

80% of music consumed is indigenous in production. highest % in EU. Athens has more theaters than London (including the ancient ones) and gives more performances, we are envelopped in total greek culture production which doesnt make us puke our brains out and go rape compatriots and pass out and vomit in the streets like animals.


sad gits, as i said, the whole continent laughs at you.

anyway, wasted keyboard potency typing all this to gay brits.




SALUT les miserables

*tips hat*

	28-07-2004 02:36									#199
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Some quotes relevant to this discussion:

quote: "Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme." (Koran 8:37)

quote: "...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191);

quote: "Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers"; "smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them" (Koran 8:12; cp. 8:60)

quote: "slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace..." (Koran 5:34)

quote: "for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (Koran 22:19-22)

	28-07-2004 02:53									#200
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quote: what yall dont seem to realize is that Islam is the only one of the semitic/abrahamic faiths that is truly universal. Other so-called universal religions (like Christianity) still insist salvation is only possible through Christ and living as Christ commanded.

So why is this not universal? Christians assert that everyone, regardless of tribe or nation, can know Christ.

quote: Such corruptions though are not seen as heretical. The basic message in Judaism and Christianity, the koran says, is truthful enough and is as God intended so, putting aside some aspects of both faiths, good Christians and Jews will have paradise...

Interesting. So even through shirk, Christians receive the same blessings as Muslims?

quote: i don't think yall appreciate how startling and groundbreaking this was in the 7th century nor how ahead of its time and unique it was up until the Enlightenment... to say other religions are just as valid as your own and that practicioners of other faiths will also be rewarded by your God?

But you haven't really said that, Albert.

You insist that Christianity has 'corrupted' the true religion, and that Judiasm has done the same. How can this mean that their religions are just as valid as your own, if they are corrupt?

Either they are not corrupt, or they are less valid than Islam.

	28-07-2004 02:56									#201
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quote: It's Greek coffee, turks got it from byzantium

Not quite. They got it from the Arabs.

	28-07-2004 03:07									#202
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi So why is this not universal? Christians assert that everyone, regardless of tribe or nation, can know Christ.

What about Native Americans before 1492 and everyone who lived before Jesus Christ? They didn't know about Jesus. Are they in hell just because they never knew about him?

See Christianity is bullshit because supposedly all you need to get into heaven is faith. So Hitler could just have faith in Jesus and still go to heaven. Sorry, but that's too much of a loophole.

The correct answer to religion is simple. We don't know. Nobody living, and nobody who has ever lived, knows if there is a God. So all religions... Judaism, Islam, Christianity... they all are works of fiction created by humans. And thus, shouldn't be believed in.

	28-07-2004 03:13									#203
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quote: Originally posted by Sava for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (Koran 22:19-22)

Sava, go read the revelation of John apocalypse and you'll find equally nasty stuff...

	28-07-2004 03:16									#204
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III Sava, go read the revelation of John apocalypse and you'll find equally nasty stuff...

yeah but the New Testament is kind of touchy-feely lovey dovey... but don't worry, I think Christianity is just as evil as Islam.

	28-07-2004 03:16									#205
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: It's Greek coffee, turks got it from byzantium Not quite. They got it from the Arabs.

Who got it from Ethiopian Christians. The Ethiopians were the first group to cultivate coffee plants and to begin drinking the crushed and brewed beans.

	28-07-2004 03:19									#206
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III Sava, go read the revelation of John apocalypse and you'll find equally nasty stuff...

The good thing about the bible is that most Christians do not see it as the literal word of god. Instead the bible is a collection of writtings by learned men who were inspired by god and/or who are recording the teachings of men such as Jesus who were touched by god.

Since men wrote it the bible is subject to the weaknesses of man. Man who is capable of misunderstanding god.

	28-07-2004 03:25									#207
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin The good thing about the bible is that most Christians do not see it as the literal word of god. Instead the bible is a collection of writtings by learned men who were inspired by god and/or who are recording the teachings of men such as Jesus who were touched by god. Since men wrote it the bible is subject to the weaknesses of man. Man who is capable of misunderstanding god.

Yeah, but there's that nagging thing called "proof". Sorry, but if someone comes up to me and says they have the word of God, I kind of need to see some proof. And a bunch of stories about some dude walking on water 2000 years ago doesn't quite cut it.

If God created me, he created my critical thinking mind. Surely a religion that is true would be written in such a way to satisfy the questions of the critical mind.

	28-07-2004 03:27									#208
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi You insist that Christianity has 'corrupted' the true religion, and that Judiasm has done the same. How can this mean that their religions are just as valid as your own, if they are corrupt? Either they are not corrupt, or they are less valid than Islam.

I have to jump in here to back you up Ben before Albert answers. Basically, islam has it that the "people of the book" can be "faithful"=muslim if they accept supremacy of the umma, i.e. subvert to the dimma-system. This system gives them certain rights, most importantly "living according to their own law" for completely internal affairs and smaller protections, but the system also means rigid restrictions (a few picked out):
No muslim may convert to them, only in the opposite direction it is possible.
No new Churches/Synagogues may be built, only old ones repaired. The people of the book may not "interfere" with their religiosity in the religious life of the muslim or put their faith to a test - islam leaves plenty room open here to interpret this more liberal or highly restrictive (where every showing of faith in public is disturbing muslim religious life, or even having pigs running through the street).
Their word at court means nothing, punishments for muslim and dimmi offender vary as do crimes against a muslim or dimmi.
Etc., etc.

	28-07-2004 03:27									#209
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I believe we are talking about theology and not whither or not we accept that theology.

	28-07-2004 03:29									#210
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I believe we are talking about theology and not whither or not we accept that theology.

oh okay