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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
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Ok, from the first "Is Profit Different from Unfair Tax?" thread:
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Originally posted by Velociryx
7) yes, I am paid more (as measured in terms of raw, keepable output), because my invention redefined the industry, your efforts are limited to your own self, and are not macro in their view.
-=Vel=-
My efforts are not limited to myself. See you don't understand Adam Smith too well . Who produced the goods and services that you consumed while you sat around on your ass thinking up ways to exploit me? Did we both not work and contribute to society. Why should you be paid more? |
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What I do in my spare time is invent. I do that AFTER I go out and earn my keep. What you do in your spare time is your business, but it's not exploitive of me to make more financially productive use of MY time than you do of yours.
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Then you should be compensated for that. You shouldn't become rich though just for putting in a few hours after work. |
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Not that this matters. In Kid's world, anyone who is more capable than him (smarter, handier, more insightful, willing to accept more risk, etc.) is an exploiter. They don't *deserve* to be wealthier than he is. Doesn't matter than you or I (or society at large) may value their contributions more than Kid's. Nope, doesn't matter at all. It's not fair, and Kid should get a piece of the pie because he works hard. Yep. Yessiree.
Interestingly, Adam Smith discusses innovation in the Wealth of Nations. There he shows how workers 'save' their labor. That is they find ways to become more productive. Curiously the incentive is to work less. However, I say he's naive there. It's probably just a matter of wanting to do a better job. The fact is that workers do constantly find ways to do their work more efficiently. Usually, this doesn't benefit them directly. It does benefit society as well as the owner.
And about sitting on your ass. No, invention sometimes requires standing and moving around. The point is that people do benefit from sitting on their ass and doing nothing. We call them capitalist pigdogs. |
Still not exactly what I was looking for, but close.
The basic thought process is there: businessowner/inventor = lazy exploiter, who gets rich without doing "real" work.
-Arrian
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
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p.s. isnt this the first 500 post thread ive started? yes, yes it is
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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:33
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Ok, let's recap what was said in THIS thread, Kid, by you and I:
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Originally posted by Arrian
No one is really clear on what you do propose, other than that rich people are bad and lazy and don't deserve their money.
-Arrian
No people with specific characteristics are bad. Those characteristics create their bias though, with the rare exception of those who are capable of seeing their own bias and willing to think outside of it.
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Whatever, Kid. I was there for the capitalist/communist threads. I remember your posts about rich people. Come on now, you know what you said... repeatedly and at length.
Anyways, I really don't want to rehash that now.
-Arrian
I don't make generalizations about people. If you have proof present it (in context please).
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Oh COME ON! You are going to pretend that you didn't make sweeping generalizations about rich people?
It would almost be worth it to search for the old threads and quote you. Almost. But not quite. I'm leaving now to go take my dog to training class (he needs it, ok, he's a rescue and his former owner didn't do **** with him, which is of course one of the reasons I now have him). Maybe tomorrow if this thread is still active.
-Arrian
You misunderstood me. Why won't you accept what I'm telling you now, that I'm not classist against rich people?
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So we're arguing over whether or not you are classist against rich people. Yes, this is in fact a threadjack. But it's pissed me off now, and I'm pursuing it.
I have presented evidence that you are, in fact, classist. I have also posed a question you have not yet answered: if you're a communist, are you not therefore supposed to be classist? What's wrong with it from a communist perspective?
-Arrian
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