30-07-2004 00:01									#1
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from FP:

quote: No problem, I can CC the lot of you- send me their emails (Oct, Kloreep) and I'll just make an address book listing for "Apolyton Writ Large" and send it to all of you in one fell swoop. Sometime in the semi-near future, we should sit down and chat about life post-CDG, borders and so on. Our war preparations are now in full swing and we're planting cities/making plans for after the fall of CDG - we'd like to not waste any time/effort/resources where we might not need to. Nothing dire or serious, just taking care of odds and ends; figure out our post-CDG strategies, and so on, or at least kick ideas around about it. No rush. Later.

Since Togas suggested, and I have the upload space, I'll post the pics and start the discussion...




(could someone please alter this post to make the pic show, and tel me how to do it please )


it is easy to see that PAL are growing towards CDG. Our problem seems to be that if they expand any further south than the silks colony, we are going to have problems making our empire a real power. Other than that I can't find away of stopping PAL expanding any further south, if the have lied about Iron or if they do find a resouce somewhere, since we are not going to be as strong as them for a long time.

	30-07-2004 00:26									#2
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I agree that PAL shouldn't expand past Crudetown or so. They have a lot of land as it is, though some of it will need to be extensively chopped. (Good thing they're Ind and rolling in food.)

BTW, you can make an image show up by using HTML:

>img src="http://www.insert.com/url/here.jpg"< (reverse the tags of course)

	30-07-2004 08:47									#3
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I'm posting two images here of the land we know so far. If someone can create one large map from these images, please do.

	30-07-2004 08:51									#4
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This is where I propose we draw the line:



NOTE: The white square is meeting mountain.

	30-07-2004 21:04									#5
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There is already a thread about this, Togas.

	30-07-2004 22:04									#6
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I would like to see more of the land to their north and east. So far, I think their colony on the silks should end up going to us, and that is our break point. However, without knowing the full size and quality of the land.... hard to make a proper decision.

	30-07-2004 22:53									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master There is already a thread about this, Togas.

Then post a link to it so that I can merge the threads.

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	31-07-2004 00:07									#8
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Can someone do a quick tile count of at least what we can see and get us a relative comparison based on the Togas proposed border?

Thanks

	31-07-2004 00:19									#9
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We'd need to see more of the blackness uncovered before we can do that con.

	31-07-2004 00:34									#10
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BTW, has anybody realized that PAL has 9 cities already. They are ind and agg, on a floodplain. Ouch.

	31-07-2004 01:03									#11
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http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=119625

	31-07-2004 01:49									#12
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I'd rather wait until we have a full map of the continent. That way, we can count up the tiels, and divide the place equally. Togas' line, while a good idea, may not be in our favor, because I'm willing to bet PAL's got a lot of land up there.

	31-07-2004 01:52									#13
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I'm still convinced we should base it on amount of goods.

	31-07-2004 01:55									#14
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I don't know, NM. We could just trade goods with PAL rather than trying to split the land up according to them.

And, threads merged.

	31-07-2004 01:56									#15
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How can we trade goods?

	31-07-2004 04:45									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Octavian X I don't know, NM. We could just trade goods with PAL rather than trying to split the land up according to them. And, threads merged.

He doesn't mean we each get a silk, he means we tally up the Food, Shields, and Commerce of every tile and try to split it evenly.

The problems with his idea are:

1. Insane amount of work.
   
2. Jungles can be chopped
   
3. Tiles can be improved
   
4. Insane amount of work.
   

	31-07-2004 05:52									#17
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Ya, we just pick a random line, close to the area we like, and go for it. I think that they will not want to give up any of their existing cities. However, I think we should request of them to not send any more our way, except for military purposes. Any that are sent because of the CDG conflict will be given, at no cost, to us.

I think that the mountain slightly north of Togas line is a good enough spot for now. We, because of our commercial trait, can also have some cities scattered on coastal areas within their lands if we feel we deserve more. Although not great shields, they will give gold.

Also, let PAL know that we want the island, unless it proves to be significant in size, in which case we will discuss.

	31-07-2004 08:05									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX He doesn't mean we each get a silk, he means we tally up the Food, Shields, and Commerce of every tile and try to split it evenly. The problems with his idea are: Insane amount of work. Jungles can be chopped Tiles can be improved Insane amount of work.

1. Insane amount of work. I'd be willing to do it.
2. So what?
3. Once again, so what? We just count the tile goods, not any of the improvements.

	01-08-2004 05:54									#19
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Should be easier than that... if we really wanted to account for every tile, we shouldn't count up all the food/shields/trade etc, but just the number of each type of terrain. Still a little bit of work, but not nearly as much as adding all the shields etc together, and we will all be able to better see the potential in tiles (jungles, marshes) and in future resources if we can see eg how many Hills/Mtns each team might have.

Of course we'll need to know the whole continent for this to be of much help. There's more land east of PAL's core we haven't got through yet....

Don;t forget too that having great land, if far from your core, is not so great. Counting tiles will be a help, but ultimately we'll just have to look at the map and make an educated decision.

	01-08-2004 06:53									#20
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I would have to agree with WIA here. It's not so cut and dry. A line near where you see one in this thread does not look so bad though.

	01-08-2004 09:43									#21
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The tile 2 north of the line, where the land is the narrowist and the mountain lies, would make, so far, an excelent division, provided the island is greater than 15 tiles and we get it all to ourselves.

The main factors are distance from our capitol and corruption. Less a factor for us with our commerical trait, but still important. Also, it appears so far that we have the only iron, and we have a good chance of having the only saltpeter.

Once the war is done, we build lots of defenders, some offensive, and lots of exploration (naval) units, while going under super REX.

Build queues are kinda up in the air right now for durring the war, because it is unknown if they will attack one of our hoplites and loose.... so we don't know if we will have our GA or not.

	01-08-2004 09:58									#22
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I don't see this as being an urgent issue, anyway. We won't have settlers headed out that way for a long time.

In short, we should arrange talks with PAL in regard to how we should go about dividing the land. Later, once the map of the continent is complete, we acutally do the dividing.

	01-08-2004 10:54									#23
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing Build queues are kinda up in the air right now for durring the war, because it is unknown if they will attack one of our hoplites and loose.... so we don't know if we will have our GA or not.

Hopefully they won't get "Lucky" every turn!

	01-08-2004 22:43									#24
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You know, we should censor that word like CGN.

	02-08-2004 06:34									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Octavian X I don't see this as being an urgent issue, anyway. We won't have settlers headed out that way for a long time. In short, we should arrange talks with PAL in regard to how we should go about dividing the land. Later, once the map of the continent is complete, we acutally do the dividing.

Let's wait till we get a more thorough map of PAL. (And PAL gets a more thorough map of us; I don't believe they've sent any exploration units in to our territory yet like we have in their area.)

	02-08-2004 07:52									#26
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I'd rather not bring that up to PAL just yet.

	03-08-2004 12:52									#27
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If I were PAL, I would claim the land up to Meeting Mountain. With their expansion speed, they'll be there lots faster than us, anyway.

	03-08-2004 21:16									#28
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Except that would be totally unfair for us, and we would never agree to it.

	03-08-2004 22:22									#29
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I guess we need to bring it up before PAL starts to settle any further South than they are now...

	04-08-2004 00:39									#30
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Just send them a quick message saying
a) we will be more than happy to help split the land once we have a full map and can come to an equatible agreement
b) please settle no further south than what you already have until such a settlement is made
c) if you do settle further south, please let us knwo why in advance as we believe that you already have more area then us. Therefore, we expect it to be temporary for war purposes only. All things are negotiable however at this point.