31-07-2004 01:33									#1
	Tax the rich!!! pt. 2 Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

this is a continuation of the tax the rich thread. In it we discussed marginal tax rate comparisons over time, estate tax (or death tax for the dumbasses), what makes a good life, the desire to provide a basic quality of life to people, how liberal and conservative are gross general characterizations, and what kidicious said about something some time ago.

resume!

	31-07-2004 01:39									#2
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 and what kidicious said about something some time ago. resume!

and any other threadjack Vel and company can think of to avoid the issue.

	31-07-2004 01:43									#3
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You mean you're no longer just a one-trick pony about capitalists and the rich doing nothing? Otherwise, it couldn't be a threadjack, it would just be a continuation of the same thread by another name.

	31-07-2004 01:52									#4
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You're biased, 'cause you're rich.

	31-07-2004 01:54									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel You're biased, 'cause you're rich.

And people who don't have kids don't like it when people pass on money to their children

	31-07-2004 01:54									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel You're biased, 'cause you're rich.

	31-07-2004 01:55									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel You're biased, 'cause you're rich.

Not any more. The energy business sucks right now.
But you commies are still full of it.

	31-07-2004 01:56									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious

Yeah, commies have their thumb up, that's for sure.

	31-07-2004 01:56									#9
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ESTATE TAX!!!

So what we know is that the very rich are certainly much richer than the rest of us, and that they holda huge percentage of the wealth-without an estate tax it would even be more lobsided today than it is in this country.

	31-07-2004 01:56									#10
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Ah, MtG remembers as well.

Kid, what I said was that the specific thread I was hoping to find was buried deep, and so I presented other examples of the same thinking. I quoted you. The quotes show you making sweeping generalizations about rich people being lazy exploiters. Which is the thing I accused you of and you deny.

What I'm having trouble finding is the very first thread we argued in. I figure it's gotta be in early to mid '03, since you registered in March '03. But I can't remember the title. So I was looking at all threads that mentioned communism or capitalism in the title and had more than a couple of hundred posts.

I know the thread exists, and so do you. But you don't want me to find it, since I will then be able to provide even more quotes that support my accusation, which you claim is false.

Damn, this is getting kinda silly. My post in the other thread was intended as a mild jab. You got all upset, denied, which pissed me off, and here we are being ridiculous.

Friday afternoon, baby. Productivity, weee!

-Arrian

	31-07-2004 01:58									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Ming And people who don't have kids don't like it when people pass on money to their children

Well, Ming - don't you know they've been unjustifiably privileged to benefit from our exploitation of the masses, so not only should all our assets be forfeit to the state, but our kids should be forced to labor in state run coal mines and sweat shops to make up for all the advantages they gained from our own labor.

	31-07-2004 01:58									#12
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Not any more. The energy business sucks right now.

That's why you are turning into a liberal. See how biased you are.

	31-07-2004 01:58									#13
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MtG a liberal

-Arrian

	31-07-2004 02:00									#14
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Not any more. The energy business sucks right now. But you commies are still full of it.

It's all that moral fiber.

	31-07-2004 02:00									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious That's why you are turning into a liberal. See how biased you are.

One needn't be a liberal to think Bush inept.

	31-07-2004 02:00									#16
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Well, Ming - don't you know they've been unjustifiably privileged to benefit from our exploitation of the masses, so not only should all our assets be forfeit to the state, but our kids should be forced to labor in state run coal mines and sweat shops to make up for all the advantages they gained from our own labor.

You liberal whinnie- they should be hung after having been shot

	31-07-2004 02:01									#17
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It's all that moral fiber.

Goes right through you, doesn't it?

	31-07-2004 02:02									#18
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quote: Originally posted by GePap ESTATE TAX!!! So what we know is that the very rich are certainly much richer than the rest of us, and that they holda huge percentage of the wealth-without an estate tax it would even be more lobsided today than it is in this country.

No, they just provide some extra employment for trust and estate lawyers and find ways to make tax-free transfers.

	31-07-2004 02:04									#19
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quote: It's all that moral fiber.

	31-07-2004 02:04									#20
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Damn it. You have my wife reading this bunk **** asking me if I'm really a flip flopper.

quote: Originally posted by Arrian The quotes show you making sweeping generalizations about rich people being lazy exploiters. Which is the thing I accused you of and you deny.

I have been trying to tell you what I meant by those comments but you don't want to hear it. Nor do you want to give me the links or even provide the context.

The rich exploit the poor. That means that some of their income doesn't come from their work. That's not the same thing as saying that rich people are inferior to poor people in anyway.

	31-07-2004 02:06									#21
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat No, they just provide some extra employment for trust and estate lawyers and find ways to make tax-free transfers.

See? So wealth goes to the lawyers, who then spend it, rather than into the trust funds of weak-headed bluebloods.

Hence, we fight the concetration of wealth. Nice to see you agree

	31-07-2004 02:07									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian MtG a liberal -Arrian

He's a Kerry Republican. Translation: flip flopper, and his flip flopping is dependent on his financial status.

	31-07-2004 02:08									#23
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Goes right through you, doesn't it?

Well, I set myself up for that, didn't I?

	31-07-2004 02:11									#24
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I gave the context, Kid. The quotes included the posts you were replying to. If you want wider context than that, I guess you want to read the entire thread. I told you what thread they came from, too. The link to the thread is also available, courtesy of JohnT.

...

Second, you now say that not all rich people are lazy exploiters, and that they're not inferior (which I didn't accuse you of saying). Fine, you've moderated your position from before, and I salute you for that. Good.

-Arrian

	31-07-2004 02:11									#25
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quote: Originally posted by GePap ESTATE TAX!!!

INHERITANCE TAX!!!

What's in a name, really?

	31-07-2004 02:12									#26
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It is my understanding that MtG is the conservative Democrat type.

Actually, I think it's more likely that he's supportive of the Dems now because of the insanity/stupidity/etc of Dubya than because of his current financial status.

-Arrian

	31-07-2004 02:12									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin What's in a name, really?

The truth?

Though of course that moniker is much closer to reality than "death tax". But of course, the Tax does have a name, and it's:

ESTATE TAX

	31-07-2004 02:13									#28
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quote: Originally posted by GePap See? So wealth goes to the lawyers, who then spend it, rather than into the trust funds of weak-headed bluebloods. Hence, we fight the concetration of wealth. Nice to see you agree

While I would NEVER oppose more money for lawyers , I don't think it will garner much general support as a wealth redistribution method.

	31-07-2004 02:15									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Second, you now say that not all rich people are lazy exploiters

This is the problem. The information goes in, but is filtered through your bias lens and comes out the way you want it to. You need to check your bias. Then you can understand what I'm saying.

	31-07-2004 02:16									#30
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to the Estate Tax... although since I'm still not 100% clear on how it works (where is the cutoff again?), I can't say for sure whether or not I approve of the current implementation.

-Arrian