02-08-2004 08:15									#61
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I guess that's good considering the ONLY people who are relavent are Americans as its their country and their taxes.

My point was: there's no need to single France out as supportive of Kerry, given that about 94% of the world supports Kerry anyway

	02-08-2004 08:56									#62
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quote: I guess that's good considering the ONLY people who are relavent are Americans as its their country and their taxes.

Which is why you brought up France in the first place, right?

	02-08-2004 09:34									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor As for Kerry being favored by France: go try to find any population other than the americans and Israelis that supports Bush

Southern Sudan. That was easy.

	02-08-2004 10:19									#64
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quote: Originally posted by GePap But Bush surely will, right? RIGHT!!!!?

He is supposed to be evil so he doen't have to..

	02-08-2004 10:20									#65
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell I won't let you ruin my joke's good name by surrounding it with that...dry..."joke".

Way too late my friend

	02-08-2004 10:27									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Wow, Kerry's cousin still has a political function? (mayor of a 2000 inhab town). I didn't know that. The guy has indeed lost pretty much every clout he could have during the 90's: he created a right-wing ecological party, and sank with it. As for Kerry being favored by France: go try to find any population other than the americans and Israelis that supports Bush

The Iraqi puppet government Provisional Council?

	02-08-2004 10:28									#67
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quote: Originally posted by GePap So what is the point of this thread anymore?

Masturbation.

	02-08-2004 10:40									#68
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell DanS your old avatar was better

I really like this one. Very that artistic stock certificate feel.

Anyway, it can't be helped now. I don't think I have a copy of my old avatar.

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	02-08-2004 18:48									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha She is from Mozambique. That sorta looks like a French Name so...

Portuguese actually.

	02-08-2004 18:53									#71
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quote: JohnT has attached this image:

Oh well, maybe sometime in the future I will bring back Ben in the full. Change my sig to "Fear the Franklin" or something.

	02-08-2004 19:06									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker The Iraqi puppet government Provisional Council?

Kuwait?

Pakistan, according to the The New Republic (Didnt we already have a thread about that) oh wait that doesnt count its only the govt, not the population.

Taiwan? Oops, thats not a country. The PRC and its pals will soon be after me

	02-08-2004 20:00									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi The key thing here isn't nessecarily that these numbers are great right now, but rather the Kerry camapign threw a bunch of money down the hole and failed to get a needed convention bounce.

Conventions nowadays are big circle jerks for the party hacks. The last real conventions in terms of meaningful impact were the Republicans in '76 and the Dems in '80.

Bush has been spending a lot too, and I think this will really come down to just a few last minute undecided voters in two or three states that will shift the balance. The spending doesn't matter much until you get to prime election season. That's why I can't understand how in hell Bush's campaign has spent so much, unless they have prepaid a lot of air time and production costs for their ad campaigns.

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Southern Sudan. That was easy.

They're significant. Let's solve the "humanitarian" crisis by shipping them all over here and giving them citizenship.

	02-08-2004 20:08									#75
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat They're significant. Let's solve the "humanitarian" crisis by shipping them all over here and giving them citizenship.

Great, that many more unemployed people on the welfare line. Don't we have enough Democrats already?

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They like Bush, remember?

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That would be Sharpton's chance - import a few hundred million poor Africans.

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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat They like Bush, remember?

While they were in S. Sudan they would like Bush. Over here they would like the dems.

	02-08-2004 20:43									#79
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Incidentallly, CBS (polled Friday hrough Sunday) has Kerry up by 6.

Some internals:
Veterans: KE/BC 48/47, up from 41/47

Who has clear plan: KE/BC 44/45

Who will bring different groups together: KE/BC over 50/31

Yeah, he's in dire straits.

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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb The only poll that counts is the one everyone votes in in November.

Except in Florida, and that one counts and counts and ...

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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber While they were in S. Sudan they would like Bush. Over here they would like the dems.

Naah, that's why you harvest immigrants. 75% of 'em register with the same party that holds the Presidency when they become naturalized citizens.

	02-08-2004 21:34									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Also, Zogby is known for constiently giving poll results that are biased towards the Democrats. .

I called you on this BS before, and here you are posting it again.

Shi, of all the major polling outfits, which one during the election results over the past 2 Presidential elections consistently came the closest to the actual result.

Hint: It's Zogby.

"In 1996, John Zogby came within one-tenth of 1 percent of the presidential result - the best performance turned in by any of the pollsters." - Christian Science Monitor

Zogby was also almost dead-on in 2000.

Now compare those results to CNN/Gallup's accuracy over the past 2 elections. In both they were off by about 5%. There's a great track record.

Zogby's not perfect (1998, for example), but he's still an excellent pollster who gets more accurate results than most. There is certainly no evidence of any Democratic bias in his results (Chuck Schumer would be happy to laugh at that notion).

	02-08-2004 21:40									#83
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Except in Florida, and that one counts and counts and ...

Actually, I don't think anyone in that state can count, they just keep trying to shove the "cubes" down the "circle" holes with their wittle plastic hammers.

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quote: Conventions nowadays are big circle jerks for the party hacks. The last real conventions in terms of meaningful impact were the Republicans in '76 and the Dems in '80.

I agree. So why did both Boston and the Democratic party throw all that money down the rat hole again?

I don't think you can be anything but unhappy at the tens of millions spent for little to no bounce.

	02-08-2004 22:11									#85
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How much would it cost to get a comparable amount advertising?

	02-08-2004 22:58									#86
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Well, if the advertising is ineffective at achieving my objectives, I would expect that it costs nothing.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Masturbation.

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quote: Originally posted by DanS Well, if the advertising is ineffective at achieving my objectives, I would expect that it costs nothing.

But Kerry did get a bounce, at least according to every poll shown here save the CNN/Gallup poll.

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quote: Originally posted by DanS I don't think you can be anything but unhappy at the tens of millions spent for little to no bounce.

Nobody was expecting a big bounce. The only ones claiming there should be one were the Republicans, but it was a snarky move because they knew it wouldn't happen and wanted to play it like the convention disappointed. It didn't, it did exactly what it needed to do--present a unified party and introduce Kerry as a candidate to the American people. It's laying the groundwork for the true campaign--it's the start, not an end.

Look, going into the convention, Kerry was at a more solid place than any challenger in recent history, far more so than Clinton in 1992. Bounces only occur when the candidate is at a deficit in the polls, not when they're running even--Clinton 1992, Dole 1996, and Gore 2000 all experienced this. However, Bush didn't get much bounce in 2000, as he was already ahead in the polls by a wide margin. The electorate has, by and large, made up its mind this time, so big bounces in the polls simply aren't going to happen. It's an unusual situation, but that's the way it is.

	02-08-2004 23:18									#90
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quote: Originally posted by GePap But Kerry did get a bounce, at least according to every poll shown here save the CNN/Gallup poll.

Indeed, and his bounce average seems to be about 4 points. Oddly enough, that's exactly what Bush got from his convention in 2000. So was the 2000 GOP convention a failure?