04-08-2004 06:51									#31
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The way i did it gave me severial cities with 100+ sheilds a turn! couldnt pass that up. also how can i lower my wasted production? ( a farly new city has a sheild = to 10 but 9 are wasted? Is there any way to relocate a forbiden place?

	05-08-2004 04:39									#32
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You can move your fp, but only if you raze the city in which it is already built. Not exactly a good idea with the new corruption model. You can lower corruption in a variety of ways. WLTKD, form of government, courthouses and police stations all have an effect on corruption.

	05-08-2004 05:10									#33
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There have been several games where, because of a tight tech race, I got the ToE before Industrialization, and made the leap to Electronics, thus having Hoover's before I could build any factories.

Bob, what way are you talking about? Any city with 50 raw shields will hit 100 with a factory and Hoover's/hydro/coal, and any city with 40 raw shields can hit 100 with nuke plants.

If your city has 90% corruption/waste, chances are you're not going to be able to help it, because the actual corruption % may be well over 100%, but the game caps it at 90%. This means the only way to get it over 1 shield is to get it to 20 raw shields, of which 90%, or 18, will be waste, leaving you with 2. Not enough of an improvement to justify a lot of effort.

	05-08-2004 07:22									#34
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What do you do with a city like that (with all the coruption)? Mine has some coast ,mostly plains - only a few grasslands and mountians.

	05-08-2004 08:19									#35
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BadBob, if you have a huge empire (3 times the OCN or more), then go communist. Especially if you are still expanding. Take the lumps in population and anarchy. While it may be "distasteful" it is the way to go in C3C.

	05-08-2004 08:27									#36
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Usually, I give it a temple, and marketplace and harbor if needed, and let it take up space and contribute to my unit support totals. If I really feel like micromanaging, I'll irrigate everything around it and give it an aqueduct, then use a lot of specialists. Every tile settled, even if useless to me, is a tile my enemy can't make useful.

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	05-08-2004 20:53									#37
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Thats true - I will sometimes buld a city just to denie tiles/resources to my enemy.

	07-08-2004 00:56									#38
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On another note about citys - i have a city that was bult just to denie my enemies a resource - when my culture increases - it is not in all derections - why is that?

	07-08-2004 01:07									#39
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What's stopping it from expanding in all directions? Ocean? Enemy borders?

	07-08-2004 01:20									#40
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Its on the boarder of an enemy border - however the city square was bult there and it expanded into enemy tertory. Wont it continue like that?

	07-08-2004 01:20									#41
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quote: Originally posted by BadBob On another note about citys - i have a city that was bult just to denie my enemies a resource - when my culture increases - it is not in all derections - why is that?

If the resource was in the enemy city's first ring and your second ring then you won't get it. If it's in both your second rings then it depends more on culture points and age of the city (AFAIK). If it's in both your first rings then it depends more on culture points.

	07-08-2004 01:25									#42
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The rescourse is in my first ring - but my second ring wont keep expand in that derection - its outside his second ring.

	07-08-2004 01:51									#43
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If there's a "ring tie", tile control is decided strictly on accumulated culture in the city, Rhoth. I've plopped down many a new city and bought temples, libraries, unis and caths to steal same ring resources. Post a screenshot, Bob. I'm having trouble visualizing what you're talking about.

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quote: Originally posted by Solomwi If there's a "ring tie", tile control is decided strictly on accumulated culture in the city, Rhoth. I've plopped down many a new city and bought temples, libraries, unis and caths to steal same ring resources. Post a screenshot, Bob. I'm having trouble visualizing what you're talking about.

Yeah I know. That's what I meant about first ring being based on culture points. A while back I argued with Dominae about it. Naturally I lost. He proved to me you can indeed culture bomb an opposing city's first ring. I had never known that before, but I've used it since.

A screenshot would be good. I'm having trouble visualizing what you mean too Badbob.

	07-08-2004 02:23									#45
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How do i go about getting a screen shot of it?

	07-08-2004 02:33									#46
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quote: Originally posted by BadBob How do i go about getting a screen shot of it?

Press the print screen button when you have the shot you want on the screen. Open up a graphics editor (not paint...irfanview.com has a free one if you don't have one) and paste it in. Resize to a maximum of 800X600 and save as a .jpg file. Then do a 'post reply' in this thread, browse in the "attach file" area for the newly saved file, write a little blurb about it, and then post your reply.

	07-08-2004 02:34									#47
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While you've got the map centered on the city in question hit the "Print Screen" button on your keyboard. This copies the image to the clipboard and allows you to paste it into an image program. If you don't use one now, it's time for my obligatory irfanview plug. Once you've selected your graphics program (MS Paint will also work in a pinch), just paste the captured image and save it as a .jpg. Make sure it's no bigger than 800x600 and attach it to your post.

Rhoth, I thought you were saying city age played into it, as well, and I was just saying it doesn't, except for allowing more time to accumulate culture.

	07-08-2004 02:37									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Solomwi While you've got the map centered on the city in question hit the "Print Screen" button on your keyboard. This copies the image to the clipboard and allows you to paste it into an image program. If you don't use one now, it's time for my obligatory irfanview plug. Once you've selected your graphics program (MS Paint will also work in a pinch), just paste the captured image and save it as a .jpg. Make sure it's no bigger than 800x600 and attach it to your post. Rhoth, I thought you were saying city age played into it, as well, and I was just saying it doesn't, except for allowing more time to accumulate culture.

Heh, cross post.

I haven't seen anything concrete about city age playing a part in it...however if both cities have the same culture then I believe city age is the deciding factor. I'm not positive about that though so don't quote me.

	07-08-2004 03:00									#49
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It is not expanding w and n.w. as i want it too (trying to get something other than desert to grow food in)

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	07-08-2004 03:04									#50
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Sorry - the city in question is New Hastings

	07-08-2004 03:07									#51
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It is likely that the other civs have much more culture invested in their cities than you do in which case you won't be expanding out to your second ring. Just because you have enough culture points to potentially expand to your second ring doesn't necessarily mean you can if your city is close to an enemy.

I would guess that you got the game tile to the southwest because Enschede doesn't have as much culture as you do so it only has a first ring city.

	07-08-2004 03:47									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Rhothaerill Heh, cross post. I haven't seen anything concrete about city age playing a part in it...however if both cities have the same culture then I believe city age is the deciding factor. I'm not positive about that though so don't quote me.

You may be right about that. In fact, I think you are, but it's so rare that my city and the enemy city also have the same culture per turn that culture parity only lasts a single turn, so I don't have a whole lot of experience on which to base a guess at the tie-tie-breaker. It sounds good, though, so I'm quoting you whether you like it or not.

	07-08-2004 04:01									#53
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The other civ has 3 culture per turn (i have 15 per turn) they expand in 36 turns -- i expand in 39 - any way i can get it first? I already have temple,col,lib,unv,cath,cort . are there any other ways to increase culture? I really need ground thats not desert!

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	07-08-2004 04:10									#54
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Wait. If they expand in 36 turns, they have between 892-894 total culture. You have 377. At this rate, assuming they don't build any other cultural improvements in the city, you'll get those tiles in 43 or 44 turns. Build a research lab to cut that to 37 turns.

Of course, my favorite solution is to unleash some of that modern armor on Ibabanago and make the relative culture between it and New Hastings a moot point.

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Yea - there is that !!

	09-08-2004 05:00									#56
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Well i've wiped them out so I now have the resource!! What I miss (from civ2 ToT) is the engeniers ability to teraform landscapes (Tundra to desert to plains to grasslands). Is there anyway to automate severial units in same square to do the same thing? I know you can move them - but I want all my workers to do the same thing, battleships to shell the same target - that kinda thing.

	11-08-2004 05:35									#57
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quote: Originally posted by BadBob The rescourse is in my first ring - but my second ring wont keep expand in that derection - its outside his second ring.

You can't push his border back if his culture is higher than yours. You'll have to keep adding to your culture if you want to expand your border further.

	11-08-2004 05:54									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Solomwi Of course, my favorite solution is to unleash some of that modern armor on Ibabanago and make the relative culture between it and New Hastings a moot point.

yeah!

	11-08-2004 07:05									#59
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Does anyone know why - after beating a city ,it shrinks to a 9 square city - but when another AI troop beats a city and takes it over - they get a 24 square grid? Both citys in question were reduced to 1 citizan and most of there improvments destroyed. Any ideas?

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quote: Originally posted by BadBob Does anyone know why - after beating a city ,it shrinks to a 9 square city - but when another AI troop beats a city and takes it over - they get a 24 square grid? Both citys in question were reduced to 1 citizan and most of there improvments destroyed. Any ideas?

It's because it "remembers" cultures of you and the original (AI) owner. At the moment you conquer it, your own culture in that city is 0, so you get the smallest cultural radius only. But if the AI retakes it, they get all their accumulated culture back, which grants the original cultural radius back, too.