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GhengisFarb is offline GhengisFarb
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I think the implied issue is that the Army needs to go back up to 12 or 14 divisions, not 10, and extended deployments and stop-loss is a (typical) way of ****ing over troops when overall troop strength has been cut back too much in light of current world conditions.

Oh, I agree with this philosphy. Or even better, a higher paid, higher skilled permanent military. One that doesn't do red cycles and mow lawns but trains and prepares for their combat mission all year long.

But blaming this stop loss on the Bush Admin is off target, this forced stop loss due to lack of troops is the result of the Clinton Aministration's 8 years of military downsizing.

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Wiggie is one of our old pet trolls. You're acting like you take anything he says even slightly seriously. Wake up, man!


Then I'm as guilty as everyone else in this thread, who has bothered to respond to him.

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Oh, so being "ahead of my my time" has become the new "special"


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Then I'm as guilty as everyone else in this thread, who has bothered to respond to him.

Not me. I've pretty much only posted incoherent nonsense in this thread.

'Xcept the bit about Wiglaf being a baby-eating bleeding-heart liberal. I'm death serious about that. Honest to God.

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Wiglaf = TERRORIST

Take the "a" from "laf" and the "i" from "Wig" and the "g" from WIglaf and you get osAma bIn laden[size=4]G[size]

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Not me. I've pretty much only posted incoherent nonsense in this thread.

'Xcept the bit about Wiglaf being a baby-eating bleeding-heart liberal. I'm death serious about that. Honest to God.


you are the epitomy of nonsense

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They are not in battle! Who would you rather support, when push comes to shove? Or, take the John Kerry route. Both

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Are you ****ing nuts? Why shouldn't I get hazard pay for getting shot at? Why shouldn't my family get good medical care while suffereing the military life?

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Are you ****ing nuts? Why shouldn't I get hazard pay for getting shot at? Why shouldn't my family get good medical care while suffereing the military life?

You should, my family got full medical benefits when I was called up for active service last year. They still have them until November of this year too.

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I Think it was Sava who questioned that TAX BREAKS STIMULATE THE ECONOMY. I guess sky = red

Maybe you should look at this year's JOB GROWTH. Oh no wait! You are gonna quote some gibberish about how we have lost more jobs now than ever before in the history of the galaxy. BUT you would be FORGETTING SEPTEMBER 11th.

And No Good American, repeat No Good American, forgets September the 11th. Maybe you are not an American, which would mean you should not try to act like one.

Lonestar, I am 100% percent behind the military. But think about it. As for the older veterans, they are not in battle! They are not top of list of national concerns, unfortunately, they cannot be. They COULD write a book and make money in this way, as a suggestion. But if they cannot, and cannot afford heath costs, they should know that if they were paid, THEIR CHILDREN would have to pay for it later. I thought you liberals were for euthanasia? And now the elderly are your concern at the expense of future generations? Don't burn too many waffles with all those flip-floppers.

As for the troops in Iraq who want money, they volunteered. FOR AMERICA. Don't you liberals say they did it for $$$. Ridiculous.

And you want a FOX link? My internet is giving me problems (and I must get away from computer, it is starting to "spark" - go dells, right asher ) but if you want a link, go to their website www.foxnews.com and read about the war in Iraq. They are bound to tell you somewhere that DEMOCRATS are COMPLAINING about the DEFECIT, and that's all you need to know for this debate.

AND to those who think I am a communist - I do not read Marx and Lenin, I would not understand Marx and Lenin, I can barely stand to read for more than twenty minutes at a time, I am not a communist, maybe you are?

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Don't listen to the liberal. He eats children.

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But blaming this stop loss on the Bush Admin is off target, this forced stop loss due to lack of troops is the result of the Clinton Aministration's 8 years of military downsizing.


All well and good but why does Bush continue to veto the increases in troops strength needed to end the stop lose? Luckily, Congress did force through a temperary increase of 20k but they did that by tacking it into one of his Iraq spending bills. Bush either had to accept the increase or not get his war money.

The fact also remains that recruitment wouldn't be so low and thus we wouldn't need to draft (opps... stop lose) people if the military was paid better. If the military can't find enough people to fill it's job openings then it should do what every single private employer does. Namely increase pay or benifits or improve working conditions. Bush has firmly declared he will do none of the above.

Instead he's solution is simply to keep shadow drafting people which is going to lead to a mass exidus of experienced NCOs and Officers the moment the stop lose is lifted; then the military will really be screwed.

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It's been far, far too long.

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It's not stop lose, it's stop loss, guys.

My goodness. And If you want to call it a shadow draft, maybe you should realize the people in Iraq volunteered. That's spelled with a "v".

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Can you read? The volunteered for a set period of time and that time has since expired. I have one soldier on my team who will be stop lossed for a total of 18 months when he only enlisted for 36 months. There is no way someone who signed up for 36 months agreed to 58 months.

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It's not stop lose, it's stop loss, guys.

My goodness. And If you want to call it a shadow draft, maybe you should realize the people in Iraq volunteered. That's spelled with a "v".


You're on permanent thin ice anyway, wiggy. If you want to be a troll for kicks, fine, just don't be such an asswipe about it.

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Can you read? The volunteered for a set period of time and that time has since expired. I have one soldier on my team who will be stop lossed for a total of 18 months when he only enlisted for 36 months. There is no way someone who signed up for 36 months agreed to 58 months.


So ol' Dictator Bush is keeping you all in Iraq completely against your will? No, no. He's keeping you there longer than you expect for the good of the country. He's not keeping you there longer than he morally, legally, or ethically can.

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Oerdin, this is the first Iraq thread I've been able to open in a month. I knew about the general facts on the stop-loss, but not how bad it's gotten. Stick in there.

Wiglaf, I've never dealt with one of your posts, but I will make at attempt here. First, supply-side economics. If you don't mention the Laffer curve, then you are demonstating at best intellectual sloth, and at most obfuscation to hide your disonesty. By the way, when you include payroll taxes your small business owner pays substantially more than the wealthy, when my wife was a contractor in mental health her tax rate was 52% - 28% marraige penalty (her income was on top of mine) 15.5% SS, 6% state, 2.5% local. Stop whining until you know your facts.

The troops and their families have made a compact, a poor one IMHO, that our country will care of those who are willing to put them at risk for their country. At least Wiglaf is consistant with the current Bush-DeLay policy (I don't know Frist's policies on this YET). Deploy cheaper and inferior hardware (Stryker), get of of those pesky expensive items in the TOE (SP artillery), and keep telling everybody there will be fewer casualties becuase by God you are one of those Democrats if you challenge us. It's unpatriotic to challenge our veteran's affairs and the current plans to further cut those benefits (I wish I had one of those vomiting smiley faces).

Well, little boy, I wanted McCain and if you had bothered to watch my posts from a month ago I just buried my sister's husband, shot by a sniper outside his Abrams because of inadequate parts forcing him to check his running gear. Before you run you mouth about veterans benefits, go to a VA hospital and meet the men disfigured by OED's or missing limbs, and then maybe I will have a little respect. Otherwise, STFU and pay attention to some people like Oerdin, who is out there and making those risks you so cavalierly talk about from your easy chair.

Oerdin, Brian Drew Smith was shot on July 2nd, and was with the 1-34th armored. Here is the obituary.http://www.ntxe-news.com/artman/publish/printer_17750.shtml They did get to my sister the same day. If you can find a back-issue of the Iraqi Stars & Stripes with this his parents and my sister would appreciate it.

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And No Good American, repeat No Good American, forgets September the 11th. Maybe you are not an American, which would mean you should not try to act like one.

Indeed. This morning, when I was brushing my teeth, I didn't know whether to use Colgate or Crest toothpaste, so I decided to remember September 11. That just got me really deprssed, and all I've done today was sit and watch TV.

The other day, I was talking politics with my neighbor, and he said Bush might not be the best man for defense policy. I remembered how that evil Terrorist Osama bin Wiglaf attacked our nation, and I got angry, so he's got a black eye. It's his fault for being a bad American.

By the way, J Edgar Hoover has gotten back to me and told me your arrest will be as quick and painless as possible. You should be glad you got off so easy for such a crime like tainting the good GOP name with your Communist-Terrorist propoganda. After I got his phone call, I remembered September 11 just like a good Patriot, and I got really mad at your fellow Communists in the FBI who are certainly trying to prevent your well-deserved prosecution. I would've asked Edgar how the process of removing the Reds was going, but I was too busy getting enraged about how awful September 11 was.

I will vote Republican in every election hereforth, because I must not forget the tragic events of September 11. Plus, Bush really reminds me of September 11, being the guy who let it happen and all. But that isn't important, because it was September 11! You damn terrorist

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Take the "a" from "laf" and the "i" from "Wig" and the "g" from WIglaf and you get osAma bIn laden[size=4]G[size]


Actually I was thinking that if you take the "i", "g" and "a" you get WLF, which is close enough to WTF!?!?

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shawnmmcc ,

Fine let's pay for the veterans. It'll mean taxing you more, which you'll object to. So, let's not go to war and pay for the veterans instead. Well that's where I call bullcrap.

mrmitchell ,

You are a funny but misguided little character. You argue about Job Loss and you know nothing about Job Loss, so you try to pass yourself off as a big joke. Well I am laughing at it, which is not a good thing for you.

And if you reported me to Mr. Hoover or whoever, I will have you know I hold elected office and will not go down easily. I bet you do not even vote or speak English.

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Lonestar, I am 100% percent behind the military. But think about it. As for the older veterans, they are not in battle! They are not top of list of national concerns, unfortunately, they cannot be. They COULD write a book and make money in this way, as a suggestion. But if they cannot, and cannot afford heath costs, they should know that if they were paid, THEIR CHILDREN would have to pay for it later. I thought you liberals were for euthanasia? And now the elderly are your concern at the expense of future generations? Don't burn too many waffles with all those flip-floppers.

As for the troops in Iraq who want money, they volunteered. FOR AMERICA. Don't you liberals say they did it for $$$. Ridiculous.



How are YOU qualified to determine what our veterens and servicemen do or do not deserve, you useless turd? Your years and years of government service?

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So ol' Dictator Bush is keeping you all in Iraq completely against your will?

Only Commies complains about dictators! Burn the unpatriotic element Wiglaf!

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And if you reported me to Mr. Hoover or whoever, I will have you know I hold elected office and will not go down easily. I bet you do not even vote or speak English.

Goes to show what a good Patriot you are. J. Edgar Hoover has been dead for 32 years.

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Darn it, mm you beat me to it.

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And if you reported me to Mr. Hoover or whoever, I will have you know I hold elected office and will not go down easily. I bet you do not even vote or speak English.


Good Lord, someone elected You Senior Patrol leader in your Boy Scout Troop?

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Nah. He's Uber-Fuhrer of his commie cell.

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Good Lord, someone elected You Senior Patrol leader in your Boy Scout Troop?

I was thinking High School class president myself....

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Maybe "Troop Historian."

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Where did I suggest J. Edgar Hoover was alive?

And as for the Veterans. I've worked at a Veteran's Hospital for a summer or two -thankless, grueling work-, I know that they have it tough, but should we really have to make our kids pay for them*, or sacrifice a war on terror?

No, quite not. It is unfortunate but there is NO alternative.

*No I don't have kids. Don't put any more words into my mouth, damn sympathizers, I swear to God I am going insane BECAUSE of your lies.

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