03-08-2004 21:21									#91
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I eat 4-5k a day, about.

I'm not fat.

	03-08-2004 21:23									#92
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What's your average day Kuci, wrt eating?

	03-08-2004 21:29									#93
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OK, make that "I eat more than most fat people for whom I've had the possibility to keep approximate track of how much they eat for any considerable amount of time".

(On the subject of eating in public, I hope no fat person I know shares my habit of eating dinner before going out for dinner.)

	03-08-2004 21:32									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue What's your average day Kuci, wrt eating?

I dunno.

I have a lot of fruit, and carrots. And lunch is usually several PB&J and/or ham sandwiches. I have sausages and often eggs with breakfast, and my mom usually makes dinner. And I snack on lots and lots of bagels.

	03-08-2004 21:33									#95
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However, I swim and row.

	03-08-2004 21:36									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I eat 4-5k a day, about.

You probably don't.

	03-08-2004 21:37									#97
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Maybe he lives on the north pole.

	03-08-2004 21:41									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger You probably don't.

Probably more on the 4k end, but yes, I do.

	03-08-2004 21:56									#99
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He's 16 years old.

I ate a ****load when I was 16 too...

	03-08-2004 21:57									#100
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I figured out recently that I average 2200 calories a day or so.

Some days I eat a lot more, some I hardly eat anything at all...

	03-08-2004 22:07									#101
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Well I am a bit overweight, but it is just having the motivation to do anything about it...I have been meaning to start the swimming again but it is just a matter of getting around to doing it. But it is far better to be content in yourself than thinking that bowing to narcissism will solve all your problems...

	03-08-2004 22:17									#102
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse He's 16 years old. I ate a ****load when I was 16 too...

Yeah, that's probably a big factor

	03-08-2004 22:30									#103
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Spink used to be a chubber, didn't he?

	03-08-2004 23:01									#104
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I'm proud that I have naturally dark brown hair!!!

	03-08-2004 23:38									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Spink used to be a chubber, didn't he?

Yeah. I've walked a mile in the shoes. Thanks for pointing that out.

	03-08-2004 23:48									#106
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Vyv off of The Young Ones had a thing called "I'm fat and it's grate."

He had a list of things that fat people can do that skinnies can't.

My favourite was, "draw a line down the middle of your tum and pretend it's your arse."

	04-08-2004 00:23									#107
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When i was a kid that fat guy form Police Academy was my role model. I dreamt of growing up to be big and fat, and able to knock people down with my stomach.

	04-08-2004 04:08									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar I've seen Diss in person, he needs to put on some weight.

I'm thinner than I was when you saw me. I think I was only halfway through my weight loss.

But now I have a job with free food I'm putting on weight again . I just weighed myself. I'm 138 now.

	04-08-2004 05:55									#109
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In the european 8% of the health care budget is spent on obesity-related illnesses, which amounts to about €42 billion. The Americans do even better with something of a $118 billion. How can any fat person say I weigh a ton and I don't give a damn about it. There are nutcases that grow so fat they can't even more anymore by themselves and have to be helped by others to do the even most menial of tasks. They're expecting other people to just help them and feed them. Now that is pure decadence...

Of course most overweight people are not that extreme, but still for those really obese people there should be some compulsory diet, though that's probably impossible to carry out.

It doesn't help either that there is one third more obese children than just 20 years ago! Sounds like a real problem to me and it all comes down on our way of living. We really need to stop mass-producing factory meat that we eat in hamburgers etc.
It's one of the reasons why I'm a vegetarian, but it would take too long to explain all about it

	04-08-2004 06:58									#110
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I've been thinking about this, and even though I have libertarian tendencies. I like to think: what's fair is fair.

I get upset that my money is subsidizing bad behaviour. I'm tired of paying the same amount for insurance as fat people and smokers. they should pay more and I should pay less!

I don't see how this is intrusive. Car insurance companies use risk assessment for determining insurance rates. Why not health insurance?

	04-08-2004 09:16									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Car insurance companies use risk assessment for determining insurance rates. Why not health insurance?

We do.

	04-08-2004 14:26									#112
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Not really like that in the UK though is it.

	05-08-2004 17:19									#113
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Factors Affecting Metabolism In Order Of Greatest Impact To Least:


Muscle tissue
Meal frequency (the longer you go between meals the more your metabolism slows down to conserve energy)
Activity level
Food choices (ex. low-fat diets tend to result in poor hormone production which leads to a slower metabolism)
Hydration (over 70% of bodily functions take place in water – not enough water causes all your systems to slow down and unnecessary stress)
Genetics (I personally think this is bollocks)
Hormone production and function (think you have a slow thyroid? it’s not likely – before you go blame it on the thyroid first stabilize your blood sugar and throw in some progressive exercise 2-3 times each week)
Stress (stress also can slow metabolism by placing extra stress and strain on numerous systems. plus, many people tend to overeat when “stressed out”)

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	05-08-2004 17:24									#114
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quote: low-fat diets tend to result in poor hormone production which leads to a slower metabolism

I love this one.

	05-08-2004 19:00									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Factors Affecting Metabolism In Order Of Greatest Impact To Least: Muscle tissue Meal frequency (the longer you go between meals the more your metabolism slows down to conserve energy) Activity level Food choices (ex. low-fat diets tend to result in poor hormone production which leads to a slower metabolism) Hydration (over 70% of bodily functions take place in water – not enough water causes all your systems to slow down and unnecessary stress) Genetics (I personally think this is bollocks) Hormone production and function (think you have a slow thyroid? it’s not likely – before you go blame it on the thyroid first stabilize your blood sugar and throw in some progressive exercise 2-3 times each week) Stress (stress also can slow metabolism by placing extra stress and strain on numerous systems. plus, many people tend to overeat when “stressed out”)

I don't believe half of those. Sorry.

	05-08-2004 19:34									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Factors Affecting Metabolism In Order Of Greatest Impact To Least: Genetics (I personally think this is bollocks)

It seems that quite a few people do think there is a link between genes and obesity. Admittedly most of the experimental work has been done on rodents but they are mammals and not that dissimilar to humans for gene and hormone functions.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3472069.stm

quote: Scientists have used gene therapy to transform fat-storing cells into fat-burning cells

quote: They injected the rats with a virus containing the leptin gene. The rats decreased in weight from an average of 280 grams to 207 grams in 14 days. They also ate 30% less food, but remained healthy and active.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3236675.stm

quote: The gene, GAD2, increases production of a chemical which boosts the appetite.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2946473.stm

quote: The genetic mutations in the three disorders mean that a protein called Sar1b, which is required for all dietary fat absorption, cannot work properly.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2636509.stm

quote: Scientists have found that men with a certain gene variation have a tendency to get a flabby stomach.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2123055.stm

quote: Mice genetically altered so they produced neither the enzyme, called SCD-1, or leptin, were, they said "markedly less obese" than the "normal" obese mice.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1735747.stm

quote: Two researchers from Harvard University found that a gene called PPARgamma appears to play a vital role in creating new fat cells, or adipocytes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1484659.stm

quote: An obesity gene which could pass from father to child has been discovered by scientists in Paris.

Having said that I am markedly unsympathetic to the fat gits in society. Exercise more and eat less. However it is all symptomatic of an increasing tendency to refuse to accept responsibility for one's own actions and to expect other people to pick up the tab when something forseeable and preventable happens.

	05-08-2004 19:42									#117
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OK, if genetics do play a part (and I'm sceptical) there are many other more important factors.

And there are ways to boost your own leptin level naturally anyway.

	05-08-2004 19:43									#118
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And as I said, just because there are genetic components to stupidity doesn't make it "ok".

	05-08-2004 19:44									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker And as I said, just because there are genetic components to stupidity doesn't make it "ok".

What we do inherit is a desire to overeat. Some people have more discipline than others.

	05-08-2004 19:48									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue What we do inherit is a desire to overeat. Some people have more discipline than others.

now that, I agree with.