18-08-2004 22:34									#481
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I suppose it would be bad form for me to participate in a threadjack/spamfest to push this thread to the limit, so I wont.

	18-08-2004 22:38									#482
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Terrible, we lost one.

I must say these bozos have gotten more press than I thought they would, but then, the current quality of the press is horrible, so I should have known better.

There have been a few good political cartoons about this, thought.

	18-08-2004 22:41									#483
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Well, if you posted some, or links to them, it wouldn't be either spam or a threadjack, now would it?

	18-08-2004 22:44									#486
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Not related to the topic, but I just love Tom Toles- my favorite cartoonist.

	18-08-2004 23:03									#487
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Maybe you understand the "He's NOt Bush" wall and how it works- see, he does not give a rats ass what you guys have to say about Kerry, becuase there is nothing about him you could say that would have him vote for Bush, and since he knows minor candidates don't have a chance in hell, he will vote for the only winnable alternative. Its not hard to understand, now is it?

The only problem with this analysis is that MtG is a rational, intelligent, Southern patriot. I find it hard to believe he would even consider voting for a Northern Liberal Lying Scumbag.

	18-08-2004 23:07									#488
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quote: Originally posted by Ned The only problem with this analysis is that MtG is a rational, intelligent, Southern patriot. I find it hard to believe he would even consider voting for a Northern Liberal Lying Scumbag.

As opposed to a Fake-Southern Religious Fundamentalist Lying Scumbag like Bush?

At least Kerry acknowledges his northern roots.

	18-08-2004 23:17									#489
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Well, I'm sure MtG would vote for Bush over some people. Like Jack the Ripper

	18-08-2004 23:23									#490
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GePap, MtG has made it clear that he is a hardcore member of the "ABB" (Anybody But Bush) faction. He hardly is a fan of Kerry.

The things MtG list as Bush's failings (deficit, etc.) are typical failings of liberals. MtG is consistent here at least in his conservatism. The problem is he is being irrational thinking that a move to Kerry would be a move to the right, which is where MtG seems to want the nation to move.

	18-08-2004 23:33									#491
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quote: Originally posted by Ned GePap, MtG has made it clear that he is a hardcore member of the "ABB" (Anybody But Bush) faction. He hardly is a fan of Kerry. The things MtG list as Bush's failings (deficit, etc.) are typical failings of liberals. MtG is consistent here at least in his conservatism. The problem is he is being irrational thinking that a move to Kerry would be a move to the right, which is where MtG seems to want the nation to move.

Its not a "right-left" issue.

He falls rather hard in the middle, social liberal, fiscal conservative. Bush is a social conservative, and has proven himself fiscally irresponsible (in MtG's parlance, liberal). Hence, the opposite of MtG.

At least Kerry agrees with 1 set of positions, as opposed to Bush, who falls against on both.

	18-08-2004 23:34									#492
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quote: Originally posted by Ned The only problem with this analysis is that MtG is a rational, intelligent, Southern patriot. I find it hard to believe he would even consider voting for a Northern Liberal Lying Scumbag.

In four years, if/when the Republicans put up a better alternative, or if President Kerry is the spectacular ****up you fear he will be, I'll be happy to vote to replace him, too. As long as Bush doesn't try to pull a Grover Cleveland.

	18-08-2004 23:45									#493
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Unfortunately, that's not a real plausible scenario. A bucketfull of decorations for valor wouldn't get Kerry or anyone else sent anywhere. And it took three PH awards to get someone out, so how would the "nice boss" assume Kerry would get any? If Kerry was dangerous on the boats or a ****up, you wouldn't take months and bogus citations to deal with it - it would be easy to just make him some sort of supply or administrative officer, or just flat-ass transfer him, if there was any vaguely justifiable basis for doing so. Given a lack of contemporaneous evidence of any nature, all you can do is guess that this might be so in order to manufacture a trace of credibility for these gents.

4 months represents a pretty short time period in largely beuracratic organizations.

	18-08-2004 23:51									#494
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat In four years, if/when the Republicans put up a better alternative, or if President Kerry is the spectacular ****up you fear he will be, I'll be happy to vote to replace him, too. As long as Bush doesn't try to pull a Grover Cleveland.

If Bush pulled a Grover Cleveland and kerry turned out to wipe his ass with the constitution as well, would you consider voting for a 3rd party candidate?

	18-08-2004 23:55									#495
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe 4 months represents a pretty short time period in largely beuracratic organizations.

At the fleet or division level, yes. With a boat squadron (or whatever the hell the squids call it), or an infantry battalion in the field, things can happen a lot quicker if the local commanders are motivated to make them happen.

	18-08-2004 23:57									#496
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quote: Originally posted by Geronimo If Bush pulled a Grover Cleveland and kerry turned out to wipe his ass with the constitution as well, would you consider voting for a 3rd party candidate?

If it was someone with some potential pull, like McCain, certainly. If it was just another frootloop exercise in personal expression, like the Libs or commies or greens, then I'd probably consider (a) brushing up on Arabic, (b) building a bunker in the woods, and (c) taking an extended vacation in Canada.

I figure it would be a lot tougher for Kerry to get actively out of line, since he'll be restrained by a Republican Congress, whereas the last thing the US needs is Bush to have pliant do-nothing Congress and the illusion of popular endorsement by getting elected.

	18-08-2004 23:59									#497
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yeah MtG... canada... but only for the bud

	19-08-2004 00:14									#498
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If there is any legitimate complaint about the current Congress is that it has been way too liberal -- spending drunkingly on new programs and pork alike. (Where is Newt when you need him.) But this is a Republican Congress. I think this partially explains why Bush has not vetoed a single bill.

Kerry might help matters spending-wise if Congress remained Republican. However, Kerry's main objections to the Rebublican Congress is not that it spent too much, but that it spent too little -- to little on drug benefits and health care among other things.

Ugh!

	19-08-2004 00:17									#499
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quote: Originally posted by Ned If there is any legitimate complaint about the current Congress is that it has been way too liberal -- spending drunkingly on new programs and pork alike. (Where is Newt when you need him.) But this is a Republican Congress. I think this partially explains why Bush has not vetoed a single bill. Kerry might help matters spending-wise if Congress remained Republican. However, Kerry's main objections to the Rebublican Congress is not that it spent too much, but that it spent too little -- to little on drug benefits and health care among other things. Ugh!

why can't you just be honest and say Republicans suck?

	19-08-2004 00:18									#500
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quote: Originally posted by Ned If there is any legitimate complaint about the current Congress is that it has been way too liberal -- spending drunkingly on new programs and pork alike. (Where is Newt when you need him.) But this is a Republican Congress. I think this partially explains why Bush has not vetoed a single bill. Kerry might help matters spending-wise if Congress remained Republican. However, Kerry's main objections to the Rebublican Congress is not that it spent too much, but that it spent too little -- to little on drug benefits and health care among other things. Ugh!

Which is why this is going to be the worst presidential election choice that I can remember.

	19-08-2004 00:20									#501
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And I'm spent.

500

	19-08-2004 00:20									#502
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yah this is a bad political year

JM

	19-08-2004 00:27									#503
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Damn! I actually stopped to do some work and it went over.

Die thread, die.