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Thorn is offline Thorn
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Ex-Pupil Seeks Contact With Letourneau

By REBECCA COOK, Associated Press Writer

GIG HARBOR, Wash. - Mary Kay Letourneau, the grade school teacher convicted for having sex with a sixth-grade pupil, was released from prison early Wednesday, and her now 21-year-old former lover is challenging a court order that bars her from contacting him.


Letourneau, who served 7 1/2 years in prison, slipped unnoticed past the hordes of reporters and gawkers outside the Washington Corrections Center for Women before dawn.


As a condition of her release, Letourneau, 42, can't contact former pupil Vili Fualaau, the father of two of her children.


But Wednesday morning, Fualaau's attorney, N. Scott Stewart, filed a motion to vacate the no-contact order. Fualaau "does not fear Mary K. Letourneau," the motion argues, adding that the sole basis for criminal charges was Fualaau's age.


"He is now an adult and, as an adult, is requesting that the court allow him to associated with other adults of his own choosing, specifically Mary K. Letourneau," it says.


The prosecutor's office is reviewing the motion, spokesman Dan Donohoe said, and had not yet decided whether to agree to it or request a hearing before a judge.


A friend, Noel Soriano, told NBC's "Today" show that Fualaau was "relieved that she's out of prison and currently he can't wait to see her."


Letourneau, who sang in the choir and recorded books-on-tape for the blind while in prison, wants to try to build a normal life, said Seattle attorney Anne Bremner, who struck up a friendship with Letourneau in 2002 and spoke to her recently by phone. "She wants to be a mother, she wants to be a responsible member of society."


As a sex offender, Letourneau will have to register with the state and receive court-ordered treatment. Authorities will notify her new neighbors — although the TV trucks will probably tip them off first. More than seven years in prison has done little to dim Letourneau's notoriety.


A small crowd gathered outside the prison gates on Tuesday night — a few families and some rowdy teenage boys flaunting signs that said "I'm 18, Baby" and "Take Me Home" for the TV cameras.


Letourneau was a 34-year-old elementary school teacher in suburban Seattle and a married mother of four in 1996 when her friendship with the then-12-year-old Fualaau mutated into flirtation and then sex.


The illicit relationship was revealed when Letourneau's husband, Steve, found love letters from the boy. Steve Letourneau later moved to Alaska with the couple's children and was granted a divorce.


When Letourneau was arrested in 1997, she was already pregnant with Fualaau's daughter. A judge sentenced her to six months in jail for second-degree child rape, and ordered her to stay away from Fualaau.


But the temptation proved too much for her to resist. A month after Letourneau was released, she was caught having sex with Fualaau in her car, a violation of her parole. She was sent to prison for seven and a half years, and gave birth to Fualaau's second daughter behind bars.


"This case is not about a flawed system. This is about an opportunity that you foolishly squandered," King County Superior Court Judge Linda Lau told Letourneau at her sentencing, referring to the lenient terms she had earlier imposed.


Letourneau's two daughters with Fualaau are now 5 and 7. They visited her in prison about twice a month. Her four older children visited a few times a year.


Letourneau may now want to tell her own story. A state appeals court ruled in 2000 that she may sell and profit from her story. She has also expressed interest in working for a group that advocates for the rights of mothers in prison.

As for trying to reconnect with Fualaau, Letourneau was mum. "I'm not allowing myself to think about being with him," Letourneau told Seattle's KOMO-TV earlier this week. "We had a beautiful relationship, and I value it for what it was."

Attempts by The Associated Press to reach Letourneau or her lawyers were unsuccessful.

Fualaau told People magazine recently that he'd like to reunite with Letourneau, but wants to take things slowly. He is unemployed and told the magazine he is working on his GED. His mother is raising their children. Fualaau's phone number is unlisted.

"I don't know what my feelings are right now," Fualaau told KING-TV on Tuesday, acknowledging he was "kind of nervous."

"But I know that I do love her," he said.



Is it true love and the gov't got in the way? Or is this something else entirely?

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It's a match made in the trailer park outside Heaven.

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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Well, all the gross stuff about this case aside, they're both adults now and she is the mother of his children. So I don't see why he should be prohibited from seeing her if they both wish it.

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Should she be allowed around the children, though?

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Had this been a man sleeping with a female student of a similar age, there is no way in hell he would have recieved as lenient a sentence as she did the first time.

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Actually serving 7.5 years is not that lenient, AFAIK

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I'm willing to let a double standard rest on this one

Old male teacher, young chick = bad

Hot female teacher, young dude = good

Shi Huangdi is offline Shi Huangdi
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Had this been a man sleeping with a female student of a similar age, there is no way in hell he would have recieved as lenient a sentence as she did the first time.


At first she recieved probation, but then she slept with him again, and got the 7.5 years.

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I did not remember/know that.

That's ridiculous. Indeed, no male teacher that I'm aware of convicted of ****ing a 12 year-old student would have been given parole...

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And I really want to know why she should be allowed to live in the same house as children...

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Well, all the gross stuff about this case aside, they're both adults now and she is the mother of his children. So I don't see why he should be prohibited from seeing her if they both wish it.


This outta scare you, we agree.

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Well, if the "victim" wants the court order lifted, why on earth should it not be?

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No reason. But AFAIK living with a convicted child molester would generally be considered an imminent danger to the health and well-being of the children...

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Well, if the "victim" wants the court order lifted, why on earth should it not be?


Because the victim has been a general ****up ever since, indicating that he has some pretty significant and untreated psych issues. He's a 21 year old unemployed high-school dropout who admitted he doesn't "know what he wants, but he still loves her."

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This outta scare you, we agree.


Who are you?

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Had this been a man sleeping with a female student of a similar age, there is no way in hell he would have recieved as lenient a sentence as she did the first time.


Yep.

That's my thought on the issue.

The man would have been drawn and quartered.

(unless of course you live in Canada, where you won't be disciplined at all for such conduct.)

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Because the victim has been a general ****up ever since, indicating that he has some pretty significant and untreated psych issues. He's a 21 year old unemployed high-school dropout who admitted he doesn't "know what he wants, but he still loves her."


MtG's on fire.

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some rowdy teenage boys flaunting signs that said "I'm 18, Baby" and "Take Me Home"

(sniff) at least somebodies keepin' the old traditions alive...

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Because the victim has been a general ****up ever since, indicating that he has some pretty significant and untreated psych issues. He's a 21 year old unemployed high-school dropout who admitted he doesn't "know what he wants, but he still loves her."


So you're saying he's kinda like a girl trapped in a guy's body?

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Because the victim has been a general ****up ever since, indicating that he has some pretty significant and untreated psych issues. He's a 21 year old unemployed high-school dropout who admitted he doesn't "know what he wants, but he still loves her."

Either he's sufficiently sane to make his own decisions, in which case it should be up to him to decide if he needs being protected from him, or he's not, in which case he should be placed in an asylum (probably not the politically correct label, these days, but you get the point).

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Mental health issues have advanced a bit in the last 100 years or so. There's no reason (and no basis in law) to confine him unless he poses an active danger to others.

There's no reason the law should grant a one-off exception to her (since she's already been coddled) in ending the no-contact order which is a standard component of sex-offender registration.

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Well, if the "victim" wants the court order lifted, why on earth should it not be?


Many beaten wives want to get back to their husbands too..

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Many beaten wives want to get back to their husbands too..

Were did all the libertarians go?

This wasn't the place I expected to be alone in defending people's right to be idiots.

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this kid is ***** whipped

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Were did all the libertarians go?

This wasn't the place I expected to be alone in defending people's right to be idiots.


I do. I just think that if he wants to be with her he should have to give up the kids. There's no way she should be allowed within 5 miles of them...

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Either he's sufficiently sane to make his own decisions, in which case it should be up to him to decide if he needs being protected from him, or he's not, in which case he should be placed in an asylum (probably not the politically correct label, these days, but you get the point).


The key is the children though, and a sex offender isn't competent to raise kids

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Q: What's the best thing about having sex with 25 year olds?





A: There's 20 of them.




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Huh?

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Don't act like you don't get it

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(although it does make more sense in VERBAL form)

 
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