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Bereta_Eder is offline Bereta_Eder
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I hear he uses the country's oil production money for education and food and social welfare. The company that exploits the oil is state owned and that's why he's been thrown mud in some western media. Luckily he has the cubans on his side and protect him from any attempts of a coup d'etat by the bourgeois parties of venezuela and the US.

His mottos are national independence and autonomy etc.

Very cool.

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I should add that I've danced with a venezuelan girl once and it was very exciting because she kept doing those swirls and twists and turns with her body and oh man.

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God bless Chavez.

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I'm a leftist liberal, and my opinion of Chavez is higher than most, but I would like to see some reliable statistics of exactly where the money is going.

Cause ya know, after Stalin I'm kind of suspicious of extremely leftist states.

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This thread should be called I like anyone regardless if they are democratic or not as long as they dislike America.

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Chavez is Pro America, hes doing his best to thwart cafta.

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Chavez is up for a review next week.

His own constitution is being used against him, but he has so far stuck to the law.

It's going to be hard for him to win given that almost all the media in Venezuela spend their time promoting the view that he is insane.

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Hard to say what's going to happen...

His supporters sure as heck don't give a damn to what the media have to say about him. The right wing reactionaries supported by Uncle Sam love to see him go.

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i wonder if CIA will try another coup against him...

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Maybe, if the referendum fails to unseat him.

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This made me think of Hugo Chave from GTA: VC

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And?

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It's going to be hard for him to win given that almost all the media in Venezuela spend their time promoting the view that he is insane.
I imagine pledging to wreck the basis of the Venezuelan economy doesn't help much.

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I imagine just wrecking it without the pledge doesn't either.

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Chavez is up for a review next week.

His own constitution is being used against him, but he has so far stuck to the law.


Gee, imagine that.

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It's going to be hard for him to win given that almost all the media in Venezuela spend their time promoting the view that he is insane.


I don't know if that's going to make such a difference. They have to get an equal +1 number of votes to remove him from office, and he got at least 56% of the vote in the election. While the bourgeoisie of Venezuela hate the guy, he's extremely popular among the lower classes, and they happen to make up the vast majority of Venezuela's population.

I expect that the opposition will cry foul if they don't win, and maybe attempt another coup. If they do, expect them to try and kill him this time, since leaving him alive last time was a mistake. If he's alive, he can be freed and restored.

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I don't know much about Chavez, but since the righties on this board hate him so much, he must be a good guy.

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Hell yeah. If DinoDoc's gives a **** isn't broken for this topic he must be a real champion!

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I imagine pledging to wreck the basis of the Venezuelan economy doesn't help much.


Not that the previous system did anything for the average Venezuelan.

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Not that the previous system did anything for the average Venezuelan.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PROFIT MARGINS *****?

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Maybe it's going to be Michael Manley (thank you Reagan ) or Salvador Allende all over again...

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Not that the previous system did anything for the average Venezuelan.
Which has nothing to do with screaming from the hill tops that you won't sell oil to the US if they interfer (I assume he'd be the judge of that) in the recall when you've based your entire governmental budget on selling oil to the US.

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Not that the previous system did anything for the average Venezuelan.


Which is why crashing the economy and installing an autocratic regime is a good idea.

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I am cautious about Chavez. He is a populist in the noble meaning of the word, but his power seems to be very centred on his person.

Having so much power never helped anybody's sanity.

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Hell yeah. If DinoDoc's gives a **** isn't broken for this topic he must be a real champion!


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Which has nothing to do with screaming from the hill tops that you won't sell oil to the US if they interfer (I assume he'd be the judge of that) in the recall when you've based your entire governmental budget on selling oil to the US.


He won't do that, just as Saddam was happy to sell oil to the US right up until the invasion.

Chavez has been pretty scrupulous about democratic institutions so far. If he loses, I bet he will go quietly and attempt to stand in the next election. There's an excellent documentary about the coup (shot by a team that happened to be there at the right time) which shows pretty conclusively that Chavez is not the one being dishonest or antidemocratic.

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I don't know much about Chavez, but since the righties on this board hate him so much, he must be a good guy.


Its all an act, hes really a US puppet.

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Chavez is going to win the referendum, review etc.

You can come back here one week from now and tell me: Paiktis, you were right again.
And I will not say anything.

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Is is likely that a lot of violence will occur on that day.

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Well, it's nice to see Americans talking about this like its some kind of a joke, I'm venezuelan and oppositor of Chavez, and so far on the 6 years under his rule, poverty went from 20% to 60%, more than 5,000 industries have closed their doors leaving 6,000,000 people without a job (my father incluided). 6,000,000 unemployed in a country of 25,000,000 habitants!!!!.

With the current oil prices we should be swiming in money, but NOOOOO, all the money goes to his pockets and to Cuba. He is not popular, he is a populist: he manipulates the lower class to his favor, he supports the colombian guerrilla and drug cartels in south america.

With his speech, he has divided the venezuelan society, even families are ripped appart. No one can escape this reality, it's impossible to be neutral, your are with chavez or against him.

He uses the National Guard against oppositors (when the constitution strictly forbbidens to do that unless there is a National Emergency), one time, the NG dropped tear gas in a hospital where injured oppositors where, is that democracy???

I'm supposing that all the comments where some kind of a joke, if not, man... you should really read the newspapers before making that class of comments. Im writing this 6 hours before the referendum starts and my hands are shaking, I was watching TV this afternoon and I saw a declaration of some Fanatics of Chavez saying that they will not accept the results if Chavez loses and they will protect "his president" with violence.

Well, this thread is old so I don't expect any replies.

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I hope Chavez takes all your money and boots you out of the country. The opposition are all parasites, liars and fascists.

 
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