16-08-2004 15:34									#91
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They have no case. They've tried

1) a coup d'etat
2) a strike
3) a vote

Time for them to accept they lost.

	16-08-2004 15:44									#92
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quote: JUST LIKE AL GORE.

But Gore was like Chavez, he got most of the votes.

edit: Chavez is a terrible singer.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/video/3...a11_fish_vi.ram

	16-08-2004 15:48									#93
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quote: edit: Chavez is a terrible singer.

politicians usually are.

	16-08-2004 15:53									#94
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Clinton played a mean sax.

A pity he preferred having other people play his.

	16-08-2004 15:56									#95
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The WINNAH!!!

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	16-08-2004 16:27									#96
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It's a done deal, the international observers will certify that the referendum was conducted fairly.

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=22444

	16-08-2004 16:27									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel JUST LIKE AL GORE.

Nah, if it were a referendum, Gore would have won. He won the popular vote.

	16-08-2004 16:32									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Nah, if it were a referendum, Gore would have won. He won the popular vote.

geez, it was a joke..... I mean, it was all-caps, how thick can you people be?

	16-08-2004 18:00									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon They have no case. They've tried 1) a coup d'etat 2) a strike 3) a vote Time for them to accept they lost.

Well, if you don't succeed, try, try again.

I seriously doubt that the opposition wil be placated. They honestly believe the masses hate Chavez and agree with them- they are blind to the possibility that as much support as they have demonstrated, that they don't actually have the support of the masses of the poor for their program, which should not be news to them given the horrible track record of the opposition with regards to governing Venezuela.

	16-08-2004 18:08									#100
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Well, that's what I get for trusting the British press...

	16-08-2004 18:10									#101
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The world press has followed the lead of the Venezuelan private press, which is owned by the opposition, which mean generally negative stories of the government.

	16-08-2004 18:15									#102
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I think Chavez has a mandate. Not that it matters, since the opposition hates democracy.

	16-08-2004 18:16									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui fantastic the lengths the conspiracy theory can go.

I know you're just righting that to make my upset, but it won't work, cuz Chavez kicked your ass.

Anyway, if you no anything about Latin American politics, employer strikes are a common tactic down there. Hell, the "strike" from last year wasn't so much a strike as it was a lockout.

	16-08-2004 18:24									#104
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I can't say that I'm surprised, but I am disappointed. We (the US) don't lose much of anything, but Venezuelans lose a lot.

	16-08-2004 18:26									#105
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Yep, they lose the right to be exploited by their masters.

	16-08-2004 18:38									#106
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quote: Originally posted by DanS I can't say that I'm surprised, but I am disappointed. We (the US) don't lose much of anything, but Venezuelans lose a lot.

By voicing their democratic wishes to let the man end his term? There are general elections in two years- maybe the opposition should start preparing for those, to prove to that majority that voted against them that if they get back into power they won't missrule like they had for the previous 50 year before Chavez.

	16-08-2004 18:43									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon COMMUNISTS REJOICE!!!!

Yes, rejoice, foolish mortal.

	16-08-2004 18:43									#108
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Venezuelan president's only get one term?

	16-08-2004 18:44									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha foolish mortal.

That's just redudnent. All mortals are fools.

	16-08-2004 18:44									#110
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quote: By voicing their democratic wishes to let the man end his term?

I have no problem saying that the Venezuelans chose very poorly (it seems obvious to my non-commie eyes), but it's their choice.

quote: There are general elections in two years- maybe the opposition should start preparing for those

I agree.

	16-08-2004 18:53									#111
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Venezuelan president's only get one term?

NO, but they do need to get re-elected if they want more than one, you know.

	16-08-2004 19:11									#112
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quote: Originally posted by DanS I can't say that I'm surprised, but I am disappointed. We (the US) don't lose much of anything, but Venezuelans lose a lot.

For a nation that says 'we don't lose much of anything' alot in that I-don't-really-care-anyway-chap,it's-no-skin-off-my-nose sort of way, you sure do get agitated whenever a little nation somewhere southside decides to run itself in a way you can't commercialy or strategicaly exploit...

It'd be better if you did lose something vital if Chavez retains his win, then at least it wouldn't seem as if the US is just greedy and power-hungry for greed and power-hungryness sake.

	16-08-2004 19:14									#113
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Venezuelan president's only get one term?

Chavez is in his second term, anyway. He was originally elected in 1998 to a two-year term, and then they changed the constitution to give the president a 6-year term. Chavez then won re-election in 2000.

The Venezuelan right is really flailing and frothing now.

	16-08-2004 19:21									#114
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The Venezuelan left needs their own media outlets.

I wonder if a revolution is in Venezuela's future.

	16-08-2004 19:24									#115
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quote: Originally posted by DanS I can't say that I'm surprised, but I am disappointed. We (the US) don't lose much of anything, but Venezuelans lose a lot.

By the way, how does a nation of mostly poor people lose alot by voting for a President who has promised (and already delivered) things like free medical care education programs and involving the military in civic-aid projects (as opposed to right-wing pro-American groups who preffer it when South American militaries stick to civic torture, death-squads and oppresion).

I mean, how is that a loss for the average Venezualan?

	16-08-2004 19:25									#116
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quote: Originally posted by problem_child I mean, how is that a loss for the average Venezualan?

Republicans don't care about average people.

	16-08-2004 19:26									#117
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I bet they're gonna try and kill Chavez.

	16-08-2004 19:29									#118
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That's the only avenue left for them, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

	16-08-2004 19:33									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Republicans don't care about average people.

quote: Originally posted by Colon Which is why crashing the economy and installing an autocratic regime is a good idea.

	16-08-2004 19:33									#120
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The problem with Chavez's "revolution" is that it seems, largely, to be driven by him alone. He isn't a true leader of a movement, but rather he has many followers who support HIM. I hear little about a number two guy, someone to carry on after he's gone, etc.