13-12-2004 20:57									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac their base 'Choke on This"! (I don't have a screenie nearby unfortunately)

Happy to oblige:

	13-12-2004 21:16									#62
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And here it is in context in our handcrafted Morgan map (pieced together from their base screenies)

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	13-12-2004 21:46									#63
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Wow what a map! Brilliant job.
It looks like they still have plenty of land to expand on ... I don't think we've seen the last spurt-growth from Morgan.

	13-12-2004 22:43									#64
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Well - in all fairness, the top right hand quadrant is a bit speculative (as we haven't explored that coastline), and I've placed Paramiria somewhat arbitrarily as all I had to go on was the northern coast - it didn't overlap with anywhere else

And I have to update the map some more - I see I haven't yet placed Argi Narnia (it's on that sensor NE of Morgan Mussels, which itself is now just 1 pop)

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	13-12-2004 22:55									#65
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Here's the update:

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	25-12-2004 06:33									#66
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What's Morgan building in 2153?

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	25-12-2004 06:38									#67
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Is he still a soft juicy target?

You be the judge: (They've beefed up defenders in bases facing us!!!)

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	25-12-2004 09:55									#68
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What's in his inventory?

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	25-12-2004 13:08									#69
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Thanks for the update.

Looks like they would be a juicy target right now. They will be better defended, after those Synth Attorneys are built. The good thing is, they are not making any offensive units, so they seem like sitting ducks. OTOH, they might have a reserve to rush those.

Is there a waterway to Paraminia, and Yoda Soda?

	25-12-2004 13:20									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Looks like they would be a juicy target right now.

I agree, still a juicy target
We have to start making up some attack plans for these guys soon enough. I like your thinking Modo about going on the northern shore. Slip a cruiser transport on the channel facing the north pole, then do a bit of the ol' loot and obliterate with their northern bases

EDIT: But why do you think they are building a Laster Skimship?!

	25-12-2004 13:29									#71
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To look for contacts and/or to get those pods. It would be on the wrong side of Morgan, if it was supposed to act against us as a patrol, probe-killer, whatever.

	25-12-2004 14:33									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 To look for contacts and/or to get those pods. It would be on the wrong side of Morgan, if it was supposed to act against us as a patrol, probe-killer, whatever.

But why not use probe foils for those reasons? The drone problems are very troublesome ... Oh well.

And remember, anyone who has infiltrated the UoP will be seeing some of our military units readying to strike. Let's hope we strike some terror into their hearts!

	25-12-2004 15:38									#73
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If they get a Worm out of the pod, they can't kill it with a Probe Foil. I guess that could be a reason. Another one could be the beginning of a defensive fleet. Morgan has cash, so they could be building weaker units, to upgrade them later, thus making it faster. I find it weird too. If I were them, I'd do a Transport Foil, hunting for Artifacts. Oh well, it can't hurt us if they build useless things.


I think we are already making people shiver, not only with the invasion, bu by our general standing. Luckily, they aren't terrified enough to combine against us, yet. [EDIT: Removed thoughts about Spartan strategy. Moved here.]

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	25-12-2004 19:27									#74
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Our long term strategy is:

Take out Zak
Take out the PK's

pause to re-evaluate whether we're going after Morgan, or after the Angels-Gaian axis, or Yang. At this point we'll still have 3 victory conditions open to us:

• Transcendence - but that'd mean going after Morgan next to remove them as a threat
• Conquest - prolly need to take out Yang before he gets too powerful, then Morgan, before he gets Fusion power and cleran reactors
• Diplomatically - then Yang, with the Hive's population - would be a must, either capturing and holding their bases, or subjugating them for their votes

	25-12-2004 20:14									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie If we are proposing changing it to make Morgan an earlier target, then it needs fully aired before we start on the Peacekeepers

I will, in the other thread. I wanted to keep this one clean of discussion concerning our strategy. Edited my post, and moved the proposal here. I am aware of the plans made before I joined Sparta - I did read some old threads.

	27-12-2004 07:41									#76
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Morgan has 3 longstriders in service, 2 of which are garrisoning bases.

His trannie is out and about (pointing West)

I'm surmising that he's about to pay a call on Zak at Climatic Research to extract a tech coincidentally with researching/getting from us Ecol Eng

If, next turn, we take Otk-Dis and bully Zak into transferring control of Monitoring Station, how about we buylly him into selling Climatic Research to us as well?

that way, assuming Morgan is still en-route, he'll have to risk Vendetta with us to steal a tech (of course he'll infiltrate us if we don't have a probe defender there, but we're reckoning it's only a matter of time before they get Governorship anyway

Pippi (Longstrider) would be in ClimRes suburbs anyway with 9 tiles of road between Argos and E x 1 from Otk-Dis, so it may be moot anyway (assuming that we don't use him for taking down the perim defense at MonStat)

	27-12-2004 17:53									#77
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Of course the more bases we can get for free from Zakharov, the better. But I don't understand why you would be willing to risk infiltration by the Morganites by taking over Climactic Research while we don't have any probes near. Why else have we been building all those Crypteia if it isn't for protection against the Morganites? I hope not to defend against the Angels and Gaians, who only just recently acquired DocFlex? If Zak accepted submission, could we not ask to turn over Climactic Research later, if we wanted to?

Is it really a matter of time before Morgan will become governor? Could we not convince the other factions to all vote for Yang, because voting for a human would make him too powerful?

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	28-12-2004 23:45									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac But I don't understand why you would be willing to risk infiltration by the Morganites by taking over Climactic Research while we don't have any probes near. Why else have we been building all those Crypteia if it isn't for protection against the Morganites? I hope not to defend against the Angels and Gaians, who only just recently acquired DocFlex? If Zak accepted submission, could we not ask to turn over Climactic Research later, if we wanted to?

That's exactly what I've been advocating.

If his 3 longstrider probes are in bases, and his 2 probefoils accounted for, it'd be a go for Clim Res in 2154.

Otherwiae we call Zak and buy it in 2155, by which time our own Longstrider will be there (assuming in 2154 that we rush Argos' Crypteia)

	28-12-2004 23:48									#79
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Interesting to see how paranoid Morgan has become re getting infiltrated by the Angels/Gaians "doing a Sparta"

He's doubled his basic probe defenders in his Eastern and Western seaboard bases - just left his northern 2 with one apiece

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	29-12-2004 02:25									#80
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Should be tougher for the Gaian/Angels to get infiltration then, and I guess that they will have to buy their info from us Is that typically done in MP games? Selling infiltration info?

	29-12-2004 02:53									#81
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Yeah - it's quite common

	30-12-2004 05:14									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie Interesting to see how paranoid Morgan has become re getting infiltrated by the Angels/Gaians "doing a Sparta" He's doubled his basic probe defenders in his Eastern and Western seaboard bases - just left his northern 2 with one apiece

Perhaps we should send them a message: "We are flattered you deem it necessary to guard your eastern bases so well."

	30-12-2004 05:59									#83
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And it won't help them a hoot when the 1st Expeditionary Army, commanded by Major Kassiopeia, moves off Arcadia thru Climatic Research to storm the beaches at Morgan Musssels, and the 2nd Expeditionary Army, led by Lt Col Maniac and his Spartan Kel, storms ashore at Vander Eudaimonics!!!

	30-12-2004 15:22									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac Perhaps we should send them a message: "We are flattered you deem it necessary to guard your eastern bases so well."

Hey perhaps we should?

What of the psychology involved? It tells them that we are watching them, sure, but it also tells them we don't really mind them knowing that we are watching them. It might even be perceived as a casual mocking remark, which simply by the fact that we are making such casual remarks indicates that we are not planning an attack (in which case such remarks would be much more taboo).

Oh just a thought. And anyway, it would be fun for them to receive, and it would be fun to see the response we get

	02-01-2005 11:59									#85
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Here's their pre-war builds and their during-war builds

Looks like they popped a couple of pods (insta speeder crawler and also a gator boat rushed for 8 turns)

But it doesn't look l;ike much of a war footing to me

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	02-01-2005 17:56									#86
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It looks like they will not be a threat to us militarily, they certainly have nothing to attack us with. I guess they just decided that having a strategic cooperation with us was no longer desirable. They must also have thought (silly people!) that an attack was imminent and probably just took the opportunity to seize the initiative...

	02-01-2005 20:09									#87
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It is probable that they somehow determined that we were going to go to war with them and they decided to try to force the issue to a moment when they'd gain the most of it - ergo, they cut off the payments as soon as possible and grabbed thte Hunter while at it. I suppose it nets them an advantage in the long run - but how did they surmise that we were ready to attack them?

	02-01-2005 20:29									#88
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I guess it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that there's a high possibility we might. We are a military faction, with a large standing army, and they are our biggest competitor.

Also, we weren't being extremely friendly, what with the whole probe thing and the Modo doctrine.

	02-01-2005 20:38									#89
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I think that they are still smarting over the whole infiltration/probeteam loss situation and that's being exacerbated by our Modo Doctrine.

They saw a chance to "get even" and being opportunistic, took it.

I'm sure that they think we have our work cut out for us with the Arcadia Invasion, and thus will be powerless to react - or at least, give them a few turns to beef up defences. (They'd get a surprise when they read the Phalanx and saw how readily Zak surrendered!!)

Little do they know of the steely determination of the Spartan Federation - we are poised like a cobra, to strike in any direction!!

	02-01-2005 23:08									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie They saw a chance to "get even" and being opportunistic, took it.

That's a possibility, yes. A stupid move for them, but hey - they are greedy people, as we know.

quote: Originally posted by Googlie I'm sure that they think we have our work cut out for us with the Arcadia Invasion, and thus will be powerless to react - or at least, give them a few turns to beef up defences. (They'd get a surprise when they read the Phalanx and saw how readily Zak surrendered!!)

I don't think so. The recent movements on their borders show they considered us a threat, even before Zak surrendered. My guess is, they might a bit stunned by the quick end to that war, but not completely surprised. I guess we'll know much better next turn.

quote: Originally posted by Googlie Little do they know of the steely determination of the Spartan Federation - we are poised like a cobra, to strike in any direction!!

I concur.