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(This is where the missing ec's went - to fund Major Googlie's Morgan intelligence team - after all, we must look the part, no?)

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Report as of 2120


Here's what we know about Morgan:

  • 2101: moved their 2 colony pods
  • 2102: founded 2 bases (so 2 pops)
  • 2102-2112: had 2 bases and 2 population
  • 2104: discovered first tech
  • 2108: changed SE setting to Free Market
  • 2113: grew population to 4
  • 2114: population dropped to 2 (assumption is that they rushed/completed 2 colony pods
  • 2115: population stalled at 2 (so 2 CP's still in transit)
  • 2116: Population increases to 4 (so we assume 2 new bases founded that turn)
  • 2116 to date: Population remains at 4


2120 summary: 4 bases with 4 population

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2123 report


  • 2101: moved their 2 colony pods
  • 2102: founded 2 bases (so 2 pops)
  • 2102-2112: had 2 bases and 2 population
  • 2104: discovered first tech
  • 2108: changed SE setting to Free Market
  • 2113: grew population to 4
  • 2114: population dropped to 2 (assumption is that they rushed/completed 2 colony pods
  • 2115: population stalled at 2 (so 2 CP's still in transit)
  • 2116: Population increases to 4 (so we assume 2 new bases founded that turn)
  • 2116 to date: Population remains at 4
  • Sometime before 2122, have met Hive or acquired Yang's commlink #
  • 2123 sumary: 4 bases with 4 population

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2126 Update to Report


2124:
  • Morgan has discovered Industrial Automation (has changed SE settings to Wealth
  • We have purchased Applied Physics from the Hive. Morgan does not yet have this tech.
  • population increased to 5

2125:
  • Population: 5 (same as previous year)

2126:
  • Population: 7
  • SE Choices: running Frontier/Free Market/Wealth

2126 summary: 4 bases with 7 population
They have not yet met the University

Technology Status:

We know he has:
  • Industrial Base
  • Industrial Economics
  • Information Networks
  • Planetary Networks

We know he lacks:
  • Doctrine Mobility
  • Doctrine Flexibility
  • Applied Physics

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2127 update

population remains at 7

Is still running Frontier/Free Market/Wealth

Are still lacking:

  • Applied Physics
  • Doctrine Mobility
  • Doctrine Flexibility
  • University Comm Frequency
  • Peacekeepers' Comm Frequency


(Our estimate: 4 bases with 7 population. No Colony Pods in transit)

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2128 update:

population grown to 8 (thus we assume 4 bases at 2 pops each - expectation is that pops will drop as colony pods are commissioned - will be interesting to see if that is the case

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Only four base but eight population? Since they're running free market, wouldn't this mean they'd have four doctors? (good for us of course )

Btw, just wondering, on what do you base the estimation of the # of bases? Is it checking when their population drops? I can see one problem with such a method though: what if a CP is completed the same turn a base grows?

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Well, the salient points from their "history" are (with the reasoning in italics):

2102: founded 2 bases (so 2 pops)
2113: grew population to 4 (11 years to "grow" a new pop in each base)
2114: population dropped to 2 (assumption is that they rushed/completed 2 colony pods - so we assume that again, it'll take 11-ish turns for them to "replenish" their populations at those 2 bases
2116: Population increases to 4 (so we assume 2 new bases founded that turn - ands we assume that these 2 new bases will grow to size 2 in 11-ish years time)
2124: population increased to 5 (10 years for one of the 1st 2 bases to grow again to 2 pop)
2126: Population: 7 (12 years for the second starting base to grow again to 2 pops, and 10 years for their 3rd base to grow to 2)
2128: Population increases to 8 (12 years for their #4 base to grow to 2 pops)

So I think I'm pretty watertight with my assumptions - and they are consistent with both the Gaians and the Angels' growth patterns (it'll be interesting once the game is over to see how close I got)

Some time ago we assumed that they'd rushed rec tanks (when they lost the energy reserves lead to Lal) but their growth pattern hasn't been consistent with that assumption.

What if it were rec commons that they rushed, with the intent of establishing 4 hefty core bases that'd drive their energy and minerals production?

G.

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Thanks for the explanation!

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What if it were rec commons that they rushed, with the intent of establishing 4 hefty core bases that'd drive their energy and minerals production?


Hadn't thought of that! That would be a smart tactic indeed!

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2129 update:

No changes this year - population remains at 8

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Bad News- Morgan has discovered (or traded for) Doc Flex

Expect his probe teams to come calling imminently - we'd better get on a crash program of building Boy Scouts

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More bad news. I just went over their players list.

They have the most Canadians of any other faction combined!

The NHL season has been canceled this year. They won't have anything to do all winter till the end of spring. That means they'll devote more time to the demo game.

We have to schtomp them before it's too late!!

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Copied from the Sparta-Gaians thread


Morgan in 2140

Morgan has the Hive and the Gaians commlinks, doesn't have ours or the PK's or the Uni, and we don't know if he has the Angels'

They just got Doc Flex in 2139, so the best they can have done by now is rushed a probe foil if they had enough spare ec's. At worst, a trannie with 2 probe teams might be setting off our way this current turn

They don't have Applied Physics nor Nonlinear math, so their best weapon is still the level 1 gun

Their best armor is Synthmetal, as they don't yet have Applied Physics, a building block to HEC's Plasma Armor (But they might have 3-res armor - see below)

If they are going for the Planetary Energy Grid (I would if I were them) then they'll have detoured thru Prog Psych (which together with Ind Econ, which they have, leads to Adaptive Economics) thus they might have thought it worth their while to collect Field Modulation on the way (needed Cent Ecol as well for that)

I'm betting that they've not yet, though

I see their techs as:

Level 1 techs
  • Ind Base (they started with that)
  • Biogenetics (they did complete the HGP)
  • Infonets (they needed that to go thru it and Plan Nets to Ind Auto)
  • Doc Mobility (a stepping stone to Doc Flex which they got last turn)
  • Centauri Ecology (they did start the WP in 2138 and discontinued it in 2139)

Level 2 techs
  • Planetary Networks (a prereq for Ind Auto - and they did start the VW in 2138, dropping it in 2139)
  • Industrial Economics (also a prereq for Ind Auto)
  • Doctrine Flexibility

Level 3 techs
  • Industrial Automation

That's 9 techs (compared to our 8 techs) and we're neck and neck in the powerbar chart, even although Morgan has that SP. If he had 10 techs, then I think we'd see a significant difference between us in the powergraphs (our wxtra pops offset their SP) So he can't have done any trading for techs with the Gaians or with Yang

So I'm guessing they're researching Social Psych (needed for >>>Ethical Calculus and >>> Gene Splicing) or Progenitor Psych (which together with Industrial Economics opens the way to Adaptive Economics and the PEG)

And I bet the latter, as there is no immediate need for Rec Commons so long as they get the +1 talent from the HGP (and an energy bank in every base will crop them a psych boost as well after they build the PEG)

While Gene Splicing is good in that it gives the nuts boost, does Morgan really want a few huge bases, or many size 4 bases? (with a talent, 2 workers, a doctor and crawlers everywhere) Right now I'd say they're going for more bases (their pop went from 11 in 2138 to 10 in 2139, indicating that they are still producing colony pods)

So right now I wouldn't be too worried about Morgan

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Great report!
Morganites "only" 9 techs? Weird. I'd expect them to have more with all their energy. But then again we've bought two techs instead of researching them, so that makes it harder to compare.

(Btw, is it allowed to post comments in these covert ops thread, or are they solely meant for the official covert ops reports?)

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(Btw, is it allowed to post comments in these covert ops thread, or are they solely meant for the official covert ops reports?)



(I got no idea how strictly we can enforce any rule about posting where. Our Spartan Home invites people to just spam in the forums any ways. )

(What I've been doing; is posting in the same thread where I figure I should reply. Dunno if this is correct either (?) But no military police has come a 'nockin at my door yet...)

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(Btw, is it allowed to post comments in these covert ops thread, or are they solely meant for the official covert ops reports?)


I'd see only the two topped threads - Turn Reports and Current Maps as being ones where comments posts are not welcome. Every other one I'd see as being open for comment, disagreement, clarifications etc, and, yes, even spamming for those that need to spam (well, maybe no spamming in the Datalinks thread either)

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Mmmm...

Besides Chaunk, I have hardly any idea who is who on the Morganite team.

Any of you know more than I do?

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Well, when I was briefly a member the most active were:

Chaunk: you know. He's the CEO of Morgan Industries. A good PBEMer

Impaler - he was first out of the blocks when the new game was getting organized, and wanted Morgan,
He's the Chief Manufacturing Officer (per his profile) In the last game, he was one of Maniac's colleagues in the CyCon team. he's been active in maybe a half dozen PBEMs I've set up over this past year

jtsisyodaIs the COO and turnplayer. Last game was an active member of the Drones, over at Civgaming

AndiD is the SOO (Second Operations officer, IIRC) and a decent player that I've had in PBEMs - plays Morgan well

GeoModder - strangele enough is also a member of the Data Angels (I've asked how is that possible in the "silly question" thread in the public forums)

Micha - a useful player that I've encountered in a couple of PBEMs

Rubin ] He'll do much of the background research and micromanagement. A friend of Darsnan's, knows smac/x formulas inside out

#endgame, Whoha and ZargonX, IIRC, were pretty much "in learning mode" re playing Morgan

The others I don't know too much about other than brief introductions when they joined Morgan (for those that came in when I was a member)

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Mmm... Hmm...

They may be even tougher to wrangle than the Gaians (though I think the Gaians are... Bah... I don't want to think about the Gaians for today...).

And what's your assessment of this GeoModders capability(ies) (whichever team he turns out to be on)?

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He's good, but not quite as good as his brother Maniac

Judging by the gaming talent, their team does seem like a tough nut to crack.

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GeoModder - strangele enough is also a member of the Data Angels (I've asked how is that possible in the "silly question" thread in the public forums)


My guess is he accidently clicked on the Morganite "Join" link without realizing it. Then he appears on their membership list, even if he hasn't been authorized by the Morganites themselves. I've also been a "member" of the Gaians for a while that way.

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I guess that means that we send 2 probes when we attempt infiltration

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Which in turn means a state of vendetta...

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I guess that means that we send 2 probes when we attempt infiltration


Or a rover to deal more efficiently with those pesky lawyers.

Never mind, that was the militarist speaking.

(Though purely theoretically speaking, would we be willing to start a very small-scale war to get infiltration? Eg after our limited-duration treaty runs out, use SCC Hunter to bombard their probe defence to 10% health, then land with two probes (one to destroy the heavily damaged probe and the other to infiltrate), and after the mission is succesful offer a treaty?)

Talking about "gunboat diplomacy".

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AFAIK in PBEM games an infilitration is not taken to be a declaration of war (the game doesn't perceive it as such).

I did have a lan game where a fellow did do vendetta on me after an infiltration, but he had good reason to considering my alliances at the time.

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Definitely, if the Hunter bombards the probe defender, we'll have a vendetta, but I'm not sure if a probe team attempting to infiltrate and encountering - and destroying - another probe team triggers a vendetta

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I'm fairly sure in saying it doesn't.

 
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