12-08-2004 13:08									#31
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This is far beyond just games, but:

Advanced races wanting to take over the earth.

If they are really so advanced that they can make it here from another world, then why the hell would they want to take it over? Surely it would make more sense to either just find somewhere uninhabited in the vastness of space, or, if they really need something that only the earth can offer them, then why don't they just negotiate? I'm sure that any world leader would happily swap a supply of whatever it is that this advanced race requires for access to some of the aforementioned advanced knowledge.

	12-08-2004 15:30									#32
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Healing is one of the most stupid things... in most games you just happen to find something on the floor, and the same time you step on it, you're healed
And in side-scrollers it's even worse... by blowing up some box you often finds hamburgers and chicken... eating a whole hamburger in 0.5 sec is no problems... even though you've already eaten 10+ of them since the round started... And for some reason the player never complains about the state of the food, so I assume the hamburgers are still hot

	12-08-2004 19:01									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos Lag. It's probably the chief cliche of online gaming - a perpetual game mechanic we could all live without. I think the first online games included it, so of course everyone else had to copy-cat it as part of the genre. It's really time that someone just did away with it... as a player, I have to say that I really don't need it. Corollary: People who complain about lag by typing things like "//lag" in the text window as though everyone else needs to be informed of the reason why nothing is moving or everything is choppy. This staple gameplay element to most online games has definately become a tiresome cliche. Oh wait, that includes me. Well, shoot. At least I've come up with some more colorful and hopefully entertaining ways of complaining about lag in the text box (most of them never read by anyone since being lagged out typically results in being disconnected).

or people who blame lag for dying. Of course that includes me sometimes

	12-08-2004 19:15									#34
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From RTS...

All-purpose resources that can be used to build anything.

Said resource just lying around in the middle of cities, on the ground. Original source of this was from the DUNE II game, but that game was based on the Dune books that had a good reason for this.

	12-08-2004 20:11									#35
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Don't they need spices in Dune 2 to build things, and you need to go out to a desert to collect it, with them sand worms lurking about?

	12-08-2004 20:15									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley From RTS... All-purpose resources that can be used to build anything.

Granted, some games make this resource "money", which is highly accurate

But yeah, I feel your pain.

	12-08-2004 20:22									#37
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In both RPGs and FPSs....

Locked doors that your character/party, despite massive strength and armorment, are apparently incapable of even trying to force open, or just plain blow up.

	12-08-2004 20:36									#38
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RPG's:

People are always happy to welcome you to their house, even if all you do is to go into their house and steal all their things they've got...

	13-08-2004 01:20									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos ? Aside from that issue... what exactly is in the bottle anyway?

Kosher wine? Golan Vineyards, Cabernet Sauv, 1999?

Or, alternatively, chicken soup?

	13-08-2004 01:39									#40
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BTW going back to exploding barrel.

if anyone hates exploding barrel as being cliche in games....

Play the level barrel o' fun in Doom2.

	13-08-2004 01:57									#41
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FPS/RPG: one person being able to singlehandedly accomplish what normally takes several armies.

RTS: being able to build sophisticated weapons on the battlefield.

TBS: Incredibly slow movement, leads to same result as that of RTS.

In short, action games have exaggerated destruction, while strategy games excessive construction.

	13-08-2004 02:53									#42
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york This is far beyond just games, but: Advanced races wanting to take over the earth. If they are really so advanced that they can make it here from another world, then why the hell would they want to take it over? Surely it would make more sense to either just find somewhere uninhabited in the vastness of space, or, if they really need something that only the earth can offer them, then why don't they just negotiate? I'm sure that any world leader would happily swap a supply of whatever it is that this advanced race requires for access to some of the aforementioned advanced knowledge.

Because every world they grab means one less world for their enemy to grab, even if theres a crappy magnate race on the planet its still cheaper to grab a somewhat developed and populated world then it is to colonize a world.

But their methods leave alot to be desired, I always move in with force when I want to sieze a world in Moo.

	13-08-2004 03:50									#43
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quote: In short, action games have exaggerated destruction, while strategy games excessive construction.

Oi, none of that fancy thiking here ok, we don't take kindly to them thinking folks here!!! got it !!!

	13-08-2004 04:29									#44
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This thread is a classic.

	13-08-2004 04:40									#45
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One thing I've always hated about RTS single player campiagns is that if you win a battle or whatever, you get to move on to the next one and most of the time you have to start all over again. Why can't you bring your troops along with you?

And if you lose a battle, it's game over. Eh? It's not how it's in reality. When someone loses a battle, it doesn't neccessarily means that the war is over. Just regroup somewhere else and continue the fight.

That's why I fell in love with Wing Commander game for Nintendo - how you performed during a mission will affect the next mission you get and how the war's progressing. If you lost every single mission, the last mission you have to fight out a rearguard action as your carrier (Tiger's Claw IIRC) retreats from the sector. If you won every single mission, you get to launch a strike against those cat-like people's headquarters.

	13-08-2004 06:32									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus One thing I've always hated about RTS single player campiagns is that if you win a battle or whatever, you get to move on to the next one and most of the time you have to start all over again. Why can't you bring your troops along with you?

There are a few RTS campaigns that allows you to win/lose/complete different objectives. But none were like as non-linear as wing commander.

	13-08-2004 06:37									#47
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Some older war games were much like Wing Commander. Kinda like Tank Platoon where you had offensives/defensives against the soviets based on what you previously did. Wing Commander unfortunantly got fairly horribly linear as the series went on too.

	13-08-2004 06:56									#48
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Elite soldiers/enemies that can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

	13-08-2004 08:06									#49
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quote: Sewers. Every game has to have sewers. Seriously. Try to think of an action game that doesn't have sewers. It's quite difficult, isn't it? In the real world, sewers are undergound pipe systems that take effluent out of our homes and places of business. You certainly wouldn't want to hang about in them due to the overwhelming stench, pitch blackness and claustrophobic lack of space. In the game world it's the exact opposite. Sewers are gigantic cathedral-like vaults - often more impressive than the city above. Within the sewers there are often secret labs, religious cults, military bases, gigantic waterfalls, lost cities, alien outposts, portals to the underworld; you name it, it's there. Hell, the sewer is often the best place to meet people. And of course, only the very choicest items can be found there.

Believe it or not, many european sewers actually are that large

Italian catacombs... french sewers, etc... heck, even london sewers and NY are that large, I believe... at least they're large enough to house the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles... maybe not cathederals, but enough for reasonably comfortable movement

	13-08-2004 08:50									#50
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RPG: hack'n'slash, grab items, improve skills, repeat.

What happened to roleplaying?

	13-08-2004 09:10									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger RPG: hack'n'slash, grab items, improve skills, repeat. What happened to roleplaying?

Consoles.

	13-08-2004 09:11									#52
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Oh...and people like Imran apparently not caring about this.

	13-08-2004 09:39									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus One thing I've always hated about RTS single player campiagns is that if you win a battle or whatever, you get to move on to the next one and most of the time you have to start all over again. Why can't you bring your troops along with you?

Funny you should mention that issue. Have you ever played Homeworld? Awesome game... let's you do just that - carry your forces from one encounter to the next throughout the game.

	13-08-2004 09:43									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger RPG: hack'n'slash, grab items, improve skills, repeat. What happened to roleplaying?

Depends on the game. There are RP-devoid "RPG's" such as Diablo and there are more RP-like "RPG's" like KOTOR, the NWN campaigns, or Morrowind.

Of course, even the best of single-player RP games (such as KOTOR) with phenomenally good writing don't typically have as much actual role-playing (if that's your thing) as you can accomplish with RP-dedicated online persistent worlds or MMORPG's. Of course, most such MMORPG's and persistent worlds are as devoid of RP as the various SP games (often even more so...), but there are a few gems out there if that's what you're into.

If I had to recommend the top place to find truly RP-dedicated environments, I'd say you should check out the various servers listed under "Role Play" in the NWN server list you get in Game Spy. Most of them are pretty strict about RP being an element of gameplay (so called "power gamers" are even kicked and banned by some of them).

	13-08-2004 11:13									#55
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You know what's cliche?

video games becoming an interactive storybook than an actual game...

Ok ill shut up now..

	13-08-2004 11:57									#56
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Interactive storybook? You play too many hentai games.

	13-08-2004 12:05									#57
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i was talking about most single player games these days.

control a character, run in circles, unlock CG, run in circles, unlock CG. fight spereasyboss, unlock CG, fight final boss, Unlock CG....

	13-08-2004 14:35									#58
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Unlock Chaotic Good WHAT?

-Jam

	13-08-2004 18:29									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Zero i was talking about most single player games these days. control a character, run in circles, unlock CG, run in circles, unlock CG. fight spereasyboss, unlock CG, fight final boss, Unlock CG....

Youre playing naval games? Harpoon? How do you unlock a cruiser (IE a CG)? How about you unlock a battleship (BB) or a carrier (CV)?

	13-08-2004 18:45									#60
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Centre of Gravity?
Coast Guard?
Commanding General?
Computational Geometry?
Computer Graphics?
Republic of the Congo?



Also, does anyone know what a spereasy boss is? I mean, Skanky's obviously the speakeasy boss here, but I don't know what a spereasy is.

Last edited by duke o' york on 13-08-2004 at 19:18