18-08-2004 00:58									#121
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Dead simple, yeah, 4 Mancubi on platforms, and some more on the ground. Kill them, and a crapload of Arachnotrons comes in.

	18-08-2004 01:56									#122
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Noises in space battles.
Space ships that can stop on a dime.

	18-08-2004 02:19									#123
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quote: Noises in space battles.

More specifically, I hate the pizz-pizz sound of lasers, be it on spaceships, laser infantry or whatever. The SMAC laser sound is enough to give me nightmares for lifetime.

	18-08-2004 03:01									#124
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Solver, sounds like you'd like Unreal

	18-08-2004 05:18									#125
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quote: Originally posted by rah Noises in space battles.

Much better than a completely silent game.

quote: Space ships that can stop on a dime.

Would a game using Newtonian physics really be all that fun?

	18-08-2004 05:42									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Would a game using Newtonian physics really be all that fun?

Yes, because it would present new and more interesting challenges than the atmospheric effects we're used to in flight and space sims.

This is one of the reasons why the Babylon 5-themed space sim with an entirely Newtonian physics model for ship movement sounded so cool. It's too bad they cancelled the project.

Here's hoping someone comes along and does that.

	18-08-2004 07:12									#127
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winning games is a cliche. There needs to be more games which you can't win.

I'm not talking about Sim games and MMORPG's. I'm talking about real games that are impossible to win.

that reminds me. Has anyone ever beaten Impossible: Mission? That game did seem impossible to me.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker quote: Space ships that can stop on a dime. Would a game using Newtonian physics really be all that fun?

Elite?

	18-08-2004 07:53									#129
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It used Newtonian physics? I only played it for a bit, but IIRC it seemed to be normal...

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident winning games is a cliche. There needs to be more games which you can't win. I'm not talking about Sim games and MMORPG's. I'm talking about real games that are impossible to win. that reminds me. Has anyone ever beaten Impossible: Mission? That game did seem impossible to me.

You want to play blast corps for the N64.

	18-08-2004 08:13									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Would a game using Newtonian physics really be all that fun?

The ships in Star Control 2 followed a sort of Newtonian physics.

	18-08-2004 08:20									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger The ships in Star Control 2 followed a sort of Newtonian physics.

Well, it was closer than most stuff, I'll give it that.

Basically, it actually modelled momentum, directional thrusting, and planetary gravity wells, but all of it pretty cartoony-like...

For a game that certainly doesn't take itself seriously, it didn't do a bad job of THAT compared to most space games.

	18-08-2004 16:58									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident winning games is a cliche. There needs to be more games which you can't win.

Yep

The snake game is set up perfectly to this, though somehow most people who make such game has an ending in it

	18-08-2004 17:19									#134
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The only mainstream games without winning are Sim style games, and they suck.

Games generally benefit from goals and having winners and losers.

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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike The only mainstream games without winning are Sim style games, and they suck. Games generally benefit from goals and having winners and losers.

Simcity is excellent, and has no winners and losers. Like with a real mayor, you know if youre doing what you need to be doing. Caesar 3 had victory conditions, but that was really only to give you a marker for how hard the scenario was, and what was realistically possible in that scenario for someone with the skills from beating the previous scenarios.

Simcity doesnt have leveled scenarios, and so it naturally doesnt have such victory conditions.

In Civ2 the fun part is building up a civ the way you want to, before victory becomes the crucial consideration. The end game, when you do gamey stuff to win, is the least fun part.

Flight sims - enough said.

Havent played the Paradox games yet, but i think playing them to explore history, and guide a nation the way you want to, sounds more appealing than pursuing world conquest by gamey techniques.

	18-08-2004 23:41									#136
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I enjoy Civ games much more with a goal, and in comparison with other players. I guess I just have a little competitive streak.

Games without well defined goals are just a waste of space.

	18-08-2004 23:44									#137
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Play the Sims.........everyone's a winner! What's the point of that? I can't pwn you.

:stir:

	19-08-2004 00:18									#138
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If you really want to be competitive, then it is possible in almost all games... You can just make up your own goal! In e.g. The Sims the goal can be to have the most cash after x days, or be the player who reaches a certain job 'rank' fastest, or maybe the one who builds the best (you define best) house by simply building (cheating to get x cash, then the game begins)... it's all up to you

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I can also watch paint dry, and see if I can guess how long it will take. I can compete with others also watching paint dry, and there will be winners and deep strategy.

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	19-08-2004 00:33									#140
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How did I just know you would come with such response?

	19-08-2004 00:42									#141
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Play the Sims.........everyone's a winner! What's the point of that? I can't pwn you. :stir:

any game where a significant portion of the players use words like pwn or l33t when playing is a waste of space.

	19-08-2004 01:04									#142
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It's not the games that are at fault, just the players!

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quote: Originally posted by Adagio How did I just know you would come with such response?

Because playing the Sims is like watching paint dry?

	19-08-2004 01:59									#144
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Wrong!!! 2 guesses remaining

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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike I enjoy Civ games much more with a goal, and in comparison with other players. I guess I just have a little competitive streak. Games without well defined goals are just a waste of space.

I actually feel the same way. Yet I am willing to try 2 of the big 2 MMORPG's coming out this year. We'll see how I like them. But I kind of do like winning games

You could argue Diablo2 is a game you can't win (though you can). But you can continue playing after you "win" the game, and many people do.

	19-08-2004 08:26									#146
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Sims is more interesting than I thought, couple days ago, someone showed me that you can get the sims to fight with each other if they hate each other sufficiently.

	19-08-2004 09:40									#147
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In nearly every game I play, my character has a device that let's him reverse time, but he remembers everything that happened the first time. I'd just set it before any major events. If I die, I quickly reverse time and go back to when I set it. Now I know where the guards are, what they are doing, and what they are capable of without any cost to myself.

	19-08-2004 09:42									#148
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Are you talking about The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask?

	19-08-2004 17:12									#149
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I actually feel the same way. Yet I am willing to try 2 of the big 2 MMORPG's coming out this year. We'll see how I like them. But I kind of do like winning games You could argue Diablo2 is a game you can't win (though you can). But you can continue playing after you "win" the game, and many people do.

Oh but although there is no 'winning' MMORPGs are very competitive. Anything MP is, except the Sims.

	19-08-2004 19:58									#150
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the sims isn't MP- excpet that sim online thing I suppose. But that isn't really competitive. how is that shaping up? It wasn't very finished when they released it.