15-08-2004 19:00									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Great. Now **** off and don't come back.

We're not in your ****ing country anyway, Canada or New Zealand.

	15-08-2004 19:01									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman Hopefully America will enjoy its retirement from being a superpower.

How do you figure that?

	15-08-2004 19:06									#33
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This could've been done already a decade ago. If I'd be American, I would've been whining about the upkeep of nearly 100k innecessarily troops in Europe with taxpayers funds for the whole 90s.

	15-08-2004 19:07									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman Hopefully America will enjoy its retirement from being a superpower.

now that we won't have troops in Djibouti we aren't a super power anymore...

	15-08-2004 19:08									#35
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quote: Originally posted by VJ This could've been done already a decade ago. If I'd be American, I would've been whining about the upkeep of nearly 100k innecessarily troops in Europe with taxpayers funds for the whole 90s.

well except for some older jewish people who screwed up on the ballot no one voted for someone who would have brought them home.

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quote: Originally posted by VJ This could've been done already a decade ago. If I'd be American, I would've been whining about the upkeep of nearly 100k innecessarily troops in Europe with taxpayers funds for the whole 90s.

Obviously you havent kept up with US domestic politics

	15-08-2004 19:37									#37
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quote: We're not in your ****ing country anyway, Canada or New Zealand.

That's because we told you to **** off 20 years ago, little boy.

	15-08-2004 19:42									#38
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Nah, it's cuz there's no reason to be some godforsaken corner of the earth like NZ.

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	15-08-2004 20:20									#39
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quote: Obviously you havent kept up with US domestic politics

No, I haven't. Where's the catch?

quote: now that we won't have troops in Djibouti we aren't a super power anymore...

Ain't Djibouti strategically very important country to be friends with, being in the center of African horn and all?

	15-08-2004 20:26									#40
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quote: Originally posted by VJ No, I haven't. Where's the catch? Ain't Djibouti strategically very important country to be friends with, being in the center of African horn and all?

What interests do we have in Djibouti that justifies having troops there? or for that matter anywhere else.

	15-08-2004 20:30									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman Hopefully America will enjoy its retirement from being a superpower.

You're too nice. Other than that I agree with the core meaning of your phrase.

	15-08-2004 20:56									#42
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quote: Originally posted by VJ No, I haven't. Where's the catch?

People In America have debated the usefulness of troops in Europe. So there.

	15-08-2004 21:48									#43
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quote: Originally posted by VJ This could've been done already a decade ago. If I'd be American, I would've been whining about the upkeep of nearly 100k innecessarily troops in Europe with taxpayers funds for the whole 90s.

They were just about to start asking George Bush the 1st about that, when BOOM! Gulf War One happened, quite handy for the war-profiteers of the military industrial complex.

	15-08-2004 21:51									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha well except for some older jewish people who screwed up on the ballot no one voted for someone who would have brought them home.

Actually loads of people tried to vote for someone else, but some swift and thuruough ballot tampering and the criminalization and right-to-vote-denial of vast numbers of black Floridans who (technically) had never been convicted of anything in their life was enough to save the day, and ensure that Democracy served its purpose once more.

	15-08-2004 21:56									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha What interests do we have in Djibouti that justifies having troops there? or for that matter anywhere else.

Exactly what alot of people want to know. Somehow the yanks manage to have Vital National Interests all over the place, usually near valuable natural resources, or places where 3rd World peasants might get ideas about socialist policies or nationalist economics or descent taxes on corporations and so on. Sometimes America seems to decide it has Vital National Interests in a place Just Because, and nobody can figure out why.

Alot of people where quite insistant on knowing what interest America had in Iraq for instance, at the time, the current King, CEO or President of America mumbled something about WMDs and Al Qaeda, but so far none of that has proved to be very substantial.

If you can figure out what military interests America has anywhere outside of it's own borders, you be sure to let us know.

	15-08-2004 21:58									#46
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quote: Originally posted by problem_child Actually loads of people tried to vote for someone else, but some swift and thuruough ballot tampering and the criminalization and right-to-vote-denial of vast numbers of black Floridans who (technically) had never been convicted of anything in their life was enough to save the day, and ensure that Democracy served its purpose once more.

I just love victims of propoganda.

	15-08-2004 21:59									#47
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Yeah! Victims of Propaganda!

	15-08-2004 22:02									#48
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quote: Exactly what alot of people want to know. Somehow the yanks manage to have Vital National Interests all over the place, usually near valuable natural resources, or places where 3rd World peasants might get ideas about socialist policies or nationalist economics or descent taxes on corporations and so on.

Uh, yeah, duh.

You're not gonna have vital national interests in a barren desert devoid of anything useful, in which you have no ideological enemies.

	15-08-2004 22:07									#49
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Djibouti?

Anyway, how come anything valuable or useful in the world with only 3rd Worlders calling the place home tends to end up with a wopping great big American Military Base nearby sooner or later?

Is it because every resource that exists on planet Earth of value belongs to America?

If it's not a military base, it's 'military aid' or some puppet regime that has it's Torture Police trained and instructed in an American military college in Virginia somehwere.

Failing all that, it'll be American backed Freedom Fighters.

The resources of the whole planet are in America's Interests, and of Interest to America. That's why the yank military think-tanks invented the concept of Full Spectrum Dominance (aka, Nose in Everybodies Business Doctrine)

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	15-08-2004 22:17									#50
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quote: Is it because every resource that exists on planet Earth of value belongs to America?

It's because valuable resources are in America's national interests! Duh!

	15-08-2004 22:27									#51
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quote: Originally posted by problem_child Djibouti? Anyway, how come anything valuable or useful in the world with only 3rd Worlders calling the place home tends to end up with a wopping great big American Military Base nearby sooner or later? Is it because every resource that exists on planet Earth of value belongs to America? If it's not a military base, it's 'military aid' or some puppet regime that has it's Torture Police trained and instructed in an American military college in Virginia somehwere. Failing all that, it'll be American backed Freedom Fighters. The resources of the whole planet are in America's Interests, and of Interest to America. That's why the yank military think-tanks invented the concept of Full Spectrum Dominance (aka, Nose in Everybodies Business Doctrine)

Every major world power in history has acted the same way. It is only natural for a dominant economic power to reach out and protect or control the resources that its dominance relies on. The US is better than most in the fact that usually billions in other type of aid befalls these countries.

The benefit of this does not just fall to the US however. The US Navy protecting sea lanes also helps assure your way of life for example.

	15-08-2004 23:20									#52
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Tell 'em Plato

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I find it hard to pay serious attention to the arguments of someone who is surprised that valuable resources and/or ideological opposition are within a world power's national interest...

	15-08-2004 23:36									#54
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The troubling thing is the immense hypocrisy, and the US tries to come across as world policemen/heroes/saviours, when they are not. They are merely there for self-interest, and only their interests. I would at least like it if they admitted that.

	15-08-2004 23:37									#55
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However the rest of the world will b1tch and moan when they US doesn't take action to protect THEIR interests.

Talk about hypocricy.

	15-08-2004 23:52									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Natalinasmpf The troubling thing is the immense hypocrisy, and the US tries to come across as world policemen/heroes/saviours, when they are not. They are merely there for self-interest, and only their interests. I would at least like it if they admitted that.

It is possible for the US government having dual interests, you know. Are you criticising us for putting our own citizens interest first? No elected government would long last if it didn't. Once our interest are served, the US has a stronger record than anybody in history in supporting self determination for other people. Would you dispute that? I would be very interested in you showing me any country that has ever done more to support freedom. Hypocrisy? Ha! People are just pissed because we are very good at looking out for our national interest.

	16-08-2004 00:24									#57
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plato, i think canadians have done more to support freedom. for every step in the right direction the US takes, it also takes steps backward

	16-08-2004 00:29									#58
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MRT but we take those steps before they do.

They can wait and see if it works out or not. If it does they will follow our lead, if it doesn't they will refrain.

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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 plato, i think canadians have done more to support freedom. for every step in the right direction the US takes, it also takes steps backward

There is no doubt that Canda is a supporter of democratization around the world. CIDA (Canadian International Development Agency) does a good job of implementing the principles of USAID.

	16-08-2004 00:43									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Natalinasmpf The troubling thing is the immense hypocrisy, and the US tries to come across as world policemen/heroes/saviours, when they are not. They are merely there for self-interest, and only their interests. I would at least like it if they admitted that.

You talk as if The US has a monopoly on hypocracy. But I'm sure in your little world it does...