15-08-2004 06:28									#1
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quote: Bush to cut forces in Europe, Asia Says changes will have no effect on troops in Iraq or AfghanistanThe Associated Press Updated: 5:15 p.m. ET Aug. 14, 2004SIOUX CITY, Iowa - President Bush has decided to bring home tens of thousands of U.S. troops from posts around the world — most of them in Europe and Asia — plus 100,000 of their family members and support personnel, U.S. officials said Saturday. The changes will have no effect on forces in Iraq or Afghanistan. Bush will announce the move Monday in a speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention in Cincinnati, two senior administration officials said. As part of the largest troop realignment in years, Bush will shift about 70,000 uniformed military personnel, most of them currently in Europe, the senior officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity. A significant proportion will come home, though it was not clear when. The decision is meant to “strengthen our ability to respond to threats overseas,” one official said, declining to elaborate. “It will improve our capability to protect America and our allies and ease some of the burden on our uniformed military members and their families,” one official said. The decision is sure to be a politically popular one at a time when Bush has refused to offer a timetable for bringing home the roughly 140,000 U.S. troops from Iraq. Democrat John Kerry has said he would try to begin withdrawing some troops from Iraq within his first six months in office. That promise has drawn ridicule from Bush, who has said it would encourage the enemy to hunker down and wait out the United States. But it has also put pressure on the commander in chief at a time when the death toll on U.S. service members is approaching 1,000. Bush did not mention his decision at a campaign rally in Sioux City, Iowa.

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Good thing or bad thing? I have mixed feelings...

	15-08-2004 06:31									#2
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Basically, they need the troops to rotate in to Iraq.

	15-08-2004 06:32									#3
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Good thing.

	15-08-2004 06:32									#4
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now if we could just withdraw from the middle east and the terrrorists would stop attacking us. .

jk of course. But I still support withdrawing from the middle east.

	15-08-2004 06:35									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident jk of course. But I still support withdrawing from the middle east.

I think we all want that. Just some of us realize the neccesity of being there and some don't.

	15-08-2004 06:38									#6
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but seriously, we have no reason to stay in Germany. That's a cold war relic. I can see keeping some base there, since we have beent here so long. We still maintain a hospital over there I believe. And command headquarters for hte army I beleive.

I was really surprised the navy hq was in London. I thought it was always in Naples The navy has a base in Naples. It is a given port of call for any Med cruise. Of course Naples sucks big time. But you can take tours to Rome which is pretty cool.

	15-08-2004 06:43									#7
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This is very worrying. I'm concerned that if they bring home the troops from europe they'll move the couch on the third floor of the barracks in Hof that I hid my porno behind.

	15-08-2004 06:44									#8
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The title is misleading. I thought they had actually seen the light after all, but noo....

	15-08-2004 06:45									#9
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Well, all the little league baseball teams in Europe are going to suck now, considering they were usually made up of kids on military bases. Oh well.

	15-08-2004 06:47									#10
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Yankey go home

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident but seriously, we have no reason to stay in Germany. That's a cold war relic. I can see keeping some base there, since we have beent here so long. We still maintain a hospital over there I believe. And command headquarters for hte army I beleive. I was really surprised the navy hq was in London. I thought it was always in Naples The navy has a base in Naples. It is a given port of call for any Med cruise. Of course Naples sucks big time. But you can take tours to Rome which is pretty cool.

I think the Med fleet HQ is in Naples...It must be an overall European command in London.

	15-08-2004 07:22									#12
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I think this is all good. 70,000 troops home plus 100,000 family members and support personnel. Nowadays, that's a significant portion of the active armed forces.

Don't know about the Stryker brigades, though.

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	15-08-2004 08:33									#13
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A Reuters version of this article said bringing the "heavy troops" home was a big part of the process to get rid of them and put "lighter, faster and more mobile" forces in their place.

I personally think they're bringing the troops home so they're available to enforce martial law once the police state is officially inaugurated.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident now if we could just withdraw from the middle east and the terrrorists would stop attacking us. . jk of course. But I still support withdrawing from the middle east.

They would still attack us until we no longer travel aboard or buy oil from any Arab State and all US Forces are in the USA. OBL said this some time ago. No American outside of America. Then he would try to take Country by Country until he had them all. Does that that remind you of someone let's say 1939? OBL wants the world to be Muslim with him the Great Leader.

	15-08-2004 09:12									#15
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good thing.

btw, obl will never take over 'country by country.' one country is the max, but we would never let them take it.

its like those idiotic 'stop the red spread' garbage, which follows that if thirdworld shitholes like Korea, Vietnam, Zaire, and Afghanistan go commie, so will all of western europe.

money talks, and bush is so well connected with saudi's that we would always have an open pipeline of oil.

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quote: Originally posted by DanS I think this is all good. 70,000 troops home plus 100,000 family members and support personnel. Nowadays, that's a significant portion of the active armed forces. Don't know about the Stryker brigades, though.

Striker Warriors

	15-08-2004 09:15									#17
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The Strykers seem like pieces of junk They get blown to bits by a standard rpg round. Doesn't seem like much in the way of armour to me.

	15-08-2004 09:16									#18
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They refuse to deploy the Strykers in Iraq to where they might get shot at because they'll blow up. Brilliant.

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Striker

Stryker

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Striker Stryker

	15-08-2004 13:54									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker

	15-08-2004 14:04									#22
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This is bad. I always liked how the American army de facto sponsored the German economy.

	15-08-2004 16:55									#23
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American Withdrawal Begins? I bloody doubt that. American military bases are like vampires, once you let one in, you can never get rid of it, it'll sit there on your land, polluting and demanding 'security subsidies' forever after.

Bush is just playing the game of 'Election', and so is Kerry.

	15-08-2004 16:58									#24
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Great. Now **** off and don't come back.

	15-08-2004 17:03									#25
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No need to be rude.

	15-08-2004 17:38									#26
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Hopefully America will enjoy its retirement from being a superpower.

	15-08-2004 17:48									#27
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Not as much as the world's poor will.

	15-08-2004 18:13									#28
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Yankee go home!

And stop raping our women.

-Jam

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Yeah, rape your own!

	15-08-2004 19:00									#30
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Finally. The American base that sends out secret mind control waves will close and my nightmares will stop.