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supporting south american dictators and supplying people with nerve gas...steps off the cliff

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supporting south american dictators and supplying people with nerve gas...steps off the cliff


I would imagine that we have excersied greater restraint than most countries would have given similar power. You must remember that our governments obligation is first to its own people and then to the world. The rest of the world operates the same way. If your point is that the US has made foriegn policy mistakes, then I would ask what country hasn't. If you want to talk about the country that has given the vast majority of developmental aid in the last 50 years, then we would also be discussing the US.

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canada. the answer is always canada.

I think the issue is we need to look at both the good and bad we have done and learn from these mistakes. Right now i think we are repeating history by setting up a strongman in iraq and afghanistan. lets start learndin!

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I would imagine that we have excersied greater restraint than most countries would have given similar power. You must remember that our governments obligation is first to its own people and then to the world. The rest of the world operates the same way. If your point is that the US has made foriegn policy mistakes, then I would ask what country hasn't. If you want to talk about the country that has given the vast majority of developmental aid in the last 50 years, then we would also be discussing the US.


Though she should note that, in relation to economic size, Greece is the winner.

The United States itself is beginning to slip into despotism, but only after putting millions of others in despotism in the name of "fighting communism".
Yes, its done much good but its also done much bad. "What power hasn't" you ask, but I ask: If Americans KNOW this is happening, why the **** don't they stop it? Some would say the US has never been a democracy, but Americans still have a lot of control over their government - its just that leaders know that none of them choose to exercise it.
Americans know about the atrocities the US has helped, funded, and commited in the name of bringing freedom to others. So, why don't they take action to stop it? "Some Americans do!" you might say, but Americans are more concerned about gay marriage than they are about keeping their own government in check.

No nation can be perfect and selfless. However, when Americans go off espousing about how, essentially, the US is the savior of the world...Don't be surprised when people start resenting you, especially those people whos lives you ruined for your own national interests.

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Great. Now **** off and don't come back.


We need to have our lackeys purge some commies first.

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Why, the COMMIES have INFESTED FRANCE! We need to send our troops there immedieately to...restore peace, prosperity, and freedom to the region! Yeah, thats it!

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i call United nations supervised elections!!!

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If you can figure out what military interests America has anywhere outside of it's own borders, you be sure to let us know.


You people don't **** without our permission. We run the world.

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i call United nations supervised elections!!!

Reminds me - why the heck does Dubyah want OSCE observers for the elections?

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the thing about Canada is, they enjoy the successes of our hard labor. Of course canada doesn't need a large military to protect resources it needs throughout the world. They have the U.S. to do that for them. If the U.S. didn't do that, you can surely bet Canada would be forced to develop a military if they wanted to ensure their quality of life.

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ha! they have moose. nobody messes with our moose and live!

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The troubling thing is the immense hypocrisy, and the US tries to come across as world policemen/heroes/saviours, when they are not. They are merely there for self-interest, and only their interests. I would at least like it if they admitted that.


At least we're somewhat better than every other nation in our position.

And face it - every other nation in our position has made some justification outside of simple self-interest.

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canada. the answer is always canada.

I think the issue is we need to look at both the good and bad we have done and learn from these mistakes. Right now i think we are repeating history by setting up a strongman in iraq and afghanistan. lets start learndin!


Canada is not a world power, and its interests often coincide with those of the US in many regards. Thus, it doesn't have to take the action the US does, nor could it if it wanted to.

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At least we're somewhat better than every other nation in our position.


Thus, let's all go to sleep when our leaders are going around overthrowing democracies

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Like Iraq and Afghanistan?

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Canada is not a world power, and its interests often coincide with those of the US in many regards. Thus, it doesn't have to take the action the US does, nor could it if it wanted to.


they have moose. moose kills all!

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Like Iraq and Afghanistan?


No (although what you've replaced them with isn't very desirable either ).

On September 11th.....

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* Kuciwalker notices tinfoil hat on Tass's head and stops listening

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The CIA did not overthrow the Chilean democracy! It is a COMMUNIST LIE! Why, Chile was oppressed BECAUSE of the communists! Luckily the glorious Americans came to save the Chilean people from the deep despair that is communism

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The CIA did not overthrow the Chilean democracy! It is a COMMUNIST LIE! Why, Chile was oppressed BECAUSE of the communists! Luckily the glorious Americans came to save the Chilean people from the deep despair that is communism


Allende had it coming.

(so did Pinochet, they both had it coming!)

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I assumed you were talking about GWB and the US

A reasonable assumption, given that you created a whole thread on that topic.

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Anyone the US doesn't like has it coming Why, they violate the will of the Lord God Reagan with their mere existence!

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I assumed you were talking about GWB and the US

A reasonable assumption, given that you created a whole thread on that topic.


Excuse me? What thread?

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Lonestar clearly supports my questioning of Kuci

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I support anything that involves Pie. Does your questioning involve pie?

And, back to the OT, withdrawl from Germany was a long time coming.

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Though she should note that, in relation to economic size, Greece is the winner.

The United States itself is beginning to slip into despotism, but only after putting millions of others in despotism in the name of "fighting communism".
Yes, its done much good but its also done much bad. "What power hasn't" you ask, but I ask: If Americans KNOW this is happening, why the **** don't they stop it? Some would say the US has never been a democracy, but Americans still have a lot of control over their government - its just that leaders know that none of them choose to exercise it.
Americans know about the atrocities the US has helped, funded, and commited in the name of bringing freedom to others. So, why don't they take action to stop it? "Some Americans do!" you might say, but Americans are more concerned about gay marriage than they are about keeping their own government in check.

No nation can be perfect and selfless. However, when Americans go off espousing about how, essentially, the US is the savior of the world...Don't be surprised when people start resenting you, especially those people whos lives you ruined for your own national interests.


If only it was as black and white as you suppose. In a nation of 300 million people there is great debate over what is right and wrong. The people and the government do learn and they do change. Sometimes it isn't what fits your definition of a right or wrong philosophy. WRT others resenting our actions, I daresay that would be the case in any event...it's a consequence of having power.

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I support anything that involves Pie. Does your questioning involve pie?

And, back to the OT, withdrawl from Germany was a long time coming.


I think your right on this one. Germany has little need of US forces eithier domestically or internationally. The contingent that remains will be only to maintain forward presence and not as a defense force. This should be a good thing.

 
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