16-08-2004 02:39									#1
	Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas info! Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

More information about the game has come out in Gamespot and it seems they are going more RPGish. First of all, you are in the STATE of San Andreas with 3 different fully fleshed out cities, with different neighborhoods and everything. It's supposed to be 5 times the size of GTA III!!

And you drive from city to city by the highways, but there is supposed to be a lot of stuff on the side of the highways.

In addition feeding your character (named CJ) is important as well. When you get hungry you gotta buy some food. If you don't, you get weaker and weaker. But also you gotta watch out that you don't get superfat either, which will slow you down. Hopefully they don't overdo it with the food. It could mess up the pacing of the game.

There is also exercising in the game to tone you up and give you some muscles to allow you to become more efficient. At the gym you can also learn fighting styles. This is important because in this game carjacked people WON'T BE PUSHOVERS! You have to beat them a bit to get their cars. In addition your skills improve by doing them more. So, if you shoot more, you become more accurate in doing it.

There are some new things you can do in this game as well, such as ride public transportation (woo, trains) and SWIM! Finally falling in the water won't = death . In fact swimming could tone your body and get you good exercise. You can also go to places to customize the look of your avatar. CJ can get different haircuts and tatoos which you can purchase to customize him. You can also decide what CLOTHES you will wear! Also the cars you drive WILL get dirty and you can use car washes to clean them up.

Also interesting is the gang system. If you on the wrong turf, the rival gang will attack you in intelligent ways, such as alerting other people that you are driving that way, etc.

But the most FUN thing seems to be robbery . You can break into people's homes and steal their valuables while they are asleep or away. A lot of the missions will be doing dirty work for friends and family and won't get you money, so you'll have to steal for cash. And you may want to be quiet while doing it and Rockstar has included some stealth elements like a noise meter and the ability to hide in the shadows.

The game looks AMAZING so far with all these upgrades. It's really getting to RPG level with its experience building and customization of character.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/...ew_6103350.html

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/...ew_6103822.html

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/...ew_6104357.html

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/...ew_6104797.html

	16-08-2004 03:14									#2
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Check out GameInformer's preview on San Andreas. there is no link just go to your nearest Gamestop and pick up a copy of this magazine.

I can't wait for San Andreas to come out!!!

	16-08-2004 03:56									#3
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yes yes, but when is it coming out for PC? That's the real question!!!!!!!!!!

	16-08-2004 04:52									#4
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GTA: One of the few series that has changed significantly since #1 yet has actually gotten better.

	16-08-2004 05:44									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns GTA: One of the few series that has changed significantly since #1 yet has actually gotten better.

I don't agree.

First, not every game has been better than the previous. GTA2 was pretty poor, in my opinion. And it hasn't changed that significantly, outside of the introduction of a 3D graphics engine in GTA3. This one seems to be a more significant change gameplay wise, however.

	16-08-2004 06:12									#6
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The game looks like it's from 1999.

God bless the PS2.

	16-08-2004 10:39									#7
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I prefer it that way... it'll run smoother on my PC then .

	16-08-2004 12:36									#8
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SIMS + GTA III = san andreas.

quote: First, not every game has been better than the previous. GTA2 was pretty poor, in my opinion. And it hasn't changed that significantly, outside of the introduction of a 3D graphics engine in GTA3. This one seems to be a more significant change gameplay wise, however.

i agree with general Ludd! wow.

GTA3 felt more like a interactive story book. This one sounds like theres actual game playing to do.

	16-08-2004 21:17									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I prefer it that way... it'll run smoother on my PC then .

I don't know why you would want to play it on the PC. You have a Xbox, right? According to critics, the Xbox version of GTA and Vice City was the best, even better than the PC version. So wait for the Xbox version of San Andreas.

	16-08-2004 23:42									#10
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I perfer the mouse and keyboard controls in 'shooting' games.

	17-08-2004 00:43									#11
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Overall, the gamepad is superior for third-person games like GTA. Driving a car with a mouse and keyboard must be a lot of fun... Most of the time you don't even have to aim in GTA: you just lock on your target and shoot. Except when you snipe, that is...

	17-08-2004 01:16									#12
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quote: Driving a car with a mouse and keyboard must be a lot of fun...

I enjoy it and have had no problems with it.

quote: Most of the time you don't even have to aim in GTA: you just lock on your target and shoot.

And half of the fun is gone when you 'lock on' and shoot. I want to AIM when I shoot, dammit!

	17-08-2004 01:42									#13
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I you enjoy it, good for you! But admit that gamepads are superior overall for these kinds of games, except on one point: targetting with a mouse is a lot easier. BTW, can you actually aim in the PC version of GTA?

	17-08-2004 01:45									#14
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Gamepads are inferior in every way.


If they where good for anything, they would be used more often on the PC. And of course you can aim. You actually can't on the console versions?

	17-08-2004 01:48									#15
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Gamepads are inferior in every way. If they where good for anything, they would be used more often on the PC.

how would they be for a flight sim? I found mouse and keyboard really frustrating for MS FS '98. I know serious flight simmers would get a special realistic joystick, but would a gamepad type thingie work?

	17-08-2004 01:52									#16
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Joysticks are prefered for flightsims because, well, that's basically how planes are flown... I think a gamepad would be just as cloumsy as a keyboard. Actually, with such a limited number of buttons they probably wouldn't be able to create a realistic flight-sim anyways, because there would only be so many controls possibe.

	17-08-2004 02:32									#17
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Gamepads are inferior in every way. If they where good for anything, they would be used more often on the PC. And of course you can aim. You actually can't on the console versions?

Nice Troll. Not bitting. PC snobs can eat my shorts. You aim when snipping. When not snipping you press on the left trigger to lock on your target, then you shoot.

	17-08-2004 02:37									#18
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark how would they be for a flight sim? I found mouse and keyboard really frustrating for MS FS '98. I know serious flight simmers would get a special realistic joystick, but would a gamepad type thingie work?

I suppose it would work. I'm sure a keyboard/gamepad combo would be much more fun than flying a plane with cursor keys.

	17-08-2004 02:44									#19
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Sounds sweet...can't wait...
Now i have to decide if i get it for PC or Xbox..

So far i've played GTA and VC on PC, found nothing wrong with the controls, keyboard and mouse worked excellent for me, never had any control problems to complete missions for example.

quote: But admit that gamepads are superior overall for these kinds of games, except on one point: targetting with a mouse is a lot easier. BTW, can you actually aim in the PC version of GTA?

Uhm, aiming is everything in the game. The mouse gives you a precision control over movement you can never achieve easily with a gamepad. And you can aim in the PC version, you always shoot exactly in the direction you're looking at, no easy locking mechanism or anything, you just follow the target with your mouse to keep hitting it.

	17-08-2004 02:49									#20
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo I suppose it would work. I'm sure a keyboard/gamepad combo would be much more fun than flying a plane with cursor keys.

gamepad keyboard combo? how does that work? Hold the gamepad with your hands and use the keyboard with your feet?


Joysticks are best for flight sims and a keyboard is handy for verbose controls.

	17-08-2004 03:17									#21
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd gamepad keyboard combo? how does that work? Hold the gamepad with your hands and use the keyboard with your feet?

I doesn't make sense? Mind you, I haven't played a flight sim in a long, long time. But I don't see why you can't hold the gamepad with one hand while you use the keyboard. And irc you don't always have to use the keyboard.

	17-08-2004 05:15									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Lemmy Sounds sweet...can't wait... Now i have to decide if i get it for PC or Xbox.. So far i've played GTA and VC on PC, found nothing wrong with the controls, keyboard and mouse worked excellent for me, never had any control problems to complete missions for example. Uhm, aiming is everything in the game. The mouse gives you a precision control over movement you can never achieve easily with a gamepad. And you can aim in the PC version, you always shoot exactly in the direction you're looking at, no easy locking mechanism or anything, you just follow the target with your mouse to keep hitting it.

Aiming, everything? We're obviously not talking about the same game. Driving is also a big part of the game. I don't see myself driving with the cursor keys.

	17-08-2004 05:16									#23
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GTA is overrated.

	17-08-2004 05:18									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Asher The game looks like it's from 1999. God bless the PS2.

As opposed to Doom3, which plays like it's from 1993. I'd rather have the old-looking game that at least attempts to be innovative, personally. Still, the PS2 is clearly on the verge of being obsolete technology. It just looks silly compared to the XBox.

	17-08-2004 05:44									#25
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet As opposed to Doom3, which plays like it's from 1993. I'd rather have the old-looking game that at least attempts to be innovative, personally. Still, the PS2 is clearly on the verge of being obsolete technology. It just looks silly compared to the XBox.

DOOM3 is supposed to play like a game from 1993, it's part of its charm -- and also happens to be what the target audience wants. DOOM isn't DOOM without mindless shooting.

The whole "food" thing tells me this is going to suck the big one -- why the f*ck would Rockstar think it would be fun to FEED characters? What's next, do you get to toilet train the gangsters and make them change their underwear?

	17-08-2004 07:09									#26
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quote: BTW, can you actually aim in the PC version of GTA?

Of course! No wussy 'lock on'.

quote: why the f*ck would Rockstar think it would be fun to FEED characters

'Cause that is one of the ways that determines how your characters look and make the game more RPGish. If they can do it right, I think it'll be great .

	17-08-2004 07:11									#27
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo Aiming, everything? We're obviously not talking about the same game. Driving is also a big part of the game. I don't see myself driving with the cursor keys.

What's the difference between cursor keys and a gamepad? A gamepad is just a comfortable keyboard that you can hold in your hands, with less buttons.

Explain why driving with a keyboard is so unthinkable. And why driving with a gamepad is apparently so natural and intuitive compaired to it.

	17-08-2004 07:45									#28
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd What's the difference between cursor keys and a gamepad? A gamepad is just a comfortable keyboard that you can hold in your hands, with less buttons. Explain why driving with a keyboard is so unthinkable. And why driving with a gamepad is apparently so natural and intuitive compaired to it.

I played plenty of racing games on the PC (playing with the keyboard) and I played plenty of racing games on the Xbox. All l I can say is that I enjoy the gamepad a lot more. If you tried both, and if you don't see any difference, what can I say? IMHO the gamepad is superior to the keyboard for these kinds of games. That's all.

	17-08-2004 08:02									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui 'Cause that is one of the ways that determines how your characters look and make the game more RPGish. If they can do it right, I think it'll be great .

A long, long time ago, you had to eat in almost every RPG: if you didn't eat, you died. Zoom to 2004: you don't have to eat anymore. Why? It's a pain in the ass and it's simply not fun. Why include an RPG element that was weeded out of every RPG? Lets hope they will do it right.

	17-08-2004 08:10									#30
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You can't do it right -- people play games to do things they can't do in real life. Most people can eat.