16-08-2004 21:26									#1
	NEW Civ2 Tournament August 16 - September 14, 2004 Increase the size of your Attachments

here you are

normal map, deity level, roving bands, all other default rules, v2.42

Your civ: Greeks
Opponents: Russians, Japanese, Germans, Spanish, Chinese, Mongols

Prize: 1 ApolytonPLUS month for the Best Score and Earliest Victory game!

put your results here
http://apolyton.net/hof/tournament....nament&hofid=53

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Last edited by MarkG on 16-09-2004 at 15:52

	16-08-2004 21:44									#2
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starting position

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	16-08-2004 22:08									#3
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add your games here

http://apolyton.net/hof/tournament....nament&hofid=53

	16-08-2004 23:27									#4
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I see the rules/restrictions in the HOF thread, but I'm still unclear on how this will be scored.

	17-08-2004 06:17									#5
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Alright, I'll play too, if I can make the time.

Are we being divided by nationality? I've never competed for my country before

	17-08-2004 11:36									#6
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quote: I'm still unclear on how this will be scored

there will be rankings by score and time for all types of victory

	17-08-2004 12:55									#7
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The start looks very promising indeed.

I don't know though, putting sticky threads in Ming's forum.

I'll DL it at some point.

	17-08-2004 22:12									#8
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OK, as usual I cannot open the zipped save on my Mac (Stuffit expander). Could somebody post an unzipped save please? Thanks.

	18-08-2004 00:17									#9
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here you are

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	18-08-2004 08:56									#10
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Quick OCC report: a 3-special site with ocean access is visible under the Swamp to the southwest, but I'm unsure about the type of the hidden and invisible specials due to lack of huts. Looks like at least four river tiles, but if you settle on the river you lose the Whale. The continent number is 1, which may indicate a single large continent - and kills black-clicking help.

	18-08-2004 09:29									#11
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...and no outside programs are allowed....

Just in case....

Monk

	18-08-2004 10:20									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Elephant Quick OCC report:

Hey guys - how about starting a separate spoiler thread for comments about the map, other civs, etc.

RJM at Sleeper's

	18-08-2004 18:26									#13
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Black clicking: one of the chief things that killed Civ 2 for me. If only this had been patched out...

	18-08-2004 18:47									#14
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OK, the unzipped save works for me. Thanks a lot.

	18-08-2004 22:15									#15
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quote: Originally posted by DaveV Black clicking: one of the chief things that killed Civ 2 for me. If only this had been patched out...

Just don't use it! Come back.........

	19-08-2004 01:05									#16
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quote: Originally posted by rjmatsleepers Hey guys - how about starting a separate spoiler thread for comments about the map, other civs, etc.

good thought
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=120809

	21-08-2004 01:46									#17
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A quick check with a hex editor indicates that "restart on elimination" is ON. Makes it kind of difficult to go for fastest conquest...

	21-08-2004 02:52									#18
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quote: Originally posted by DaveV A quick check with a hex editor indicates that "restart on elimination" is ON. Makes it kind of difficult to go for fastest conquest...

Well, that is unfortunate. It means each color will have to be "eliminated" thrice or wait until 1500a to stop the respawning. So, win by conquest will entail huge amounts of luck in finding the multiple respawns if it is to be fast; but either way, it will be more difficult.

Monk

	21-08-2004 03:14									#19
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will remember it next time

	21-08-2004 19:07									#20
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Man I'm out of practice! 200AD - Republic - Riots. Guess I won't win this one.

	21-08-2004 22:40									#21
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG will remember it next time

No problem, Mark.
We conquer a bit later, that's all
(and for civ2 lovers a longer game means longer fun )

	21-08-2004 22:44									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Bloody Monk So, win by conquest will entail huge amounts of luck in finding the multiple respawns if it is to be fast; Monk

No luck at all IMO (if you follow the method I published a few months ago ... and I am fairly sure that daveV has a better one )

	22-08-2004 00:17									#23
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So, La Fayette, what was that secret method you referred to there?? A little help for the memory impared would be nice. Thanking you in advance....

(Did it have anything to do with exchanging maps??)

Monk

	22-08-2004 03:24									#24
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Yes, Monk, it has to do with exchanging maps: IMO it's almost always a wise idea to build Marco when planning early conquest (especially when restarts are on).

Then, when you own Marco, you can gift anything you want (techs, gold, even units if it pleases you) : the newborne restarting civ is usually so weak that you run almost no risk even if you give powerful military techs.

I always play MGE now, where the AI is supposed to be very hostile, yet it works like a charm and I get their map almost any time. The only problem is to get where they are with a trireme and a couple vet crusaders onboard, but it is much simpler than having dozens of explorers all around the map.

(BTW, please don't talk about any "secret method" as far as I am concerned, because I always publish what I have found out = remember that my first post to Apolyton was the "3 arrows" strategy).

	22-08-2004 05:19									#25
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Yes, my friend, you have always been very generous with your discoveries.

I used the word secret as an inducement for you to expand on your earlier post where you noted a method but not what it was. (Your usual practice has been to include a link.) I hope you don't mind; I just wanted to give you the opportunity to describe the method. (I remembered your post but not which thread it was.)

Recent research indicates that before 1500a respawns will happen three times for each color. That means many rounds of tech gifting for maps + getting on site to vanquish that color again. That is why I think it will take a lot of luck.

Therefore, I wish you Good Luck!!

Monk

	22-08-2004 13:33									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Bloody Monk (I remembered your post but not which thread it was.) Monk

... exactly what happened to me too...
That's why I gave no link

	22-08-2004 18:27									#27
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Do we need to use FW for this, or is it the earliest version allowed? (in other words: i have MGE, can i participate?)

	22-08-2004 19:13									#28
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Personally, I play MGE as usual, but I think the original save uploaded by MarkG is 2.42 and most people are going to play 2.42 (because of the *kinder* AI).

	22-08-2004 19:32									#29
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you can

	22-08-2004 22:56									#30
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For what its worth - I'm playing 2.42 - just because that is on my work machine (shhh)

Stu