02-09-2004 01:30									#91
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quote: Originally posted by debeest BM, that's what I said -- when they're wiped out or when they respawn.

I was distracted by the beginning of your post which seemed to be saying that Solo was not accurate. I see now that you did not mean that. I enjoyed the shadow dance, however. Three posters making three accurate statements about the same thing, all using different words.

Monk

	02-09-2004 02:11									#92
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quote: posted by MarkG i promise to enter and face humiliation if there is interest

Drop out is NOT good enough - we want the whole humiliating story

Stu

	02-09-2004 03:26									#93
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My own HUMILIATING story is that, despite good advice received from stu and solo, I have tried many times again and anything seems to be working fine as they describe, but the final reply when I try to submit is that the url is invalid

Could it be because I played MGE instead of 2.42 ?

	02-09-2004 03:32									#94
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I played 2 scenarios (both about the Spanish Civil War) in the meantime (comments on the Strategy Forum tomorrow).

I guess I am definitely better at making strategical choices than I am at finding my way between files and directories

	02-09-2004 03:49									#95
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quote: Originally posted by La Fayette My own HUMILIATING story is that, despite good advice received from stu and solo, I have tried many times again and anything seems to be working fine as they describe, but the final reply when I try to submit is that the url is invalid

what kind of error do you get?

	02-09-2004 05:34									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Bloody Monk Three posters making three accurate statements about the same thing, all using different words.

	02-09-2004 11:50									#97
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG what kind of error do you get?

I copy and paste the game URL, as stu and solo explained. I can see the URL which is:
C:\MPS\Civ2\GOTM\ap_b4000\Ap_Auto.zip

but when I click upon 'submit' I only get a reply:'invalid url'

May I perhaps try and send the game here as an attached file to my next post ?

	02-09-2004 13:15									#98
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Aha!!!!!!

That is not a URL, but a location on your hard disK!!

Step 1) go to the top of this page and click on 'upload' - it is one of the keywords in the list starting 'control panel' - this brings you to a screen that asks you which file you wish to upload - use the 'brouse' button to locate your file in the same fashion as when you attach a file to a post - and then click the 'upload' button just below. the file is now saved on 'Poly' and has a URL.
IIRC the next screen will display your current uploaded files (of which there is only the one) right click on your file which will now be named something like xxxx_Ap_Auto.zip and choose 'Copy Shortcut'.

Step 2) Go to the HoF submit a game page and where it asks for URL left click in the space to get the cursor flashing then right click and choose 'Paste' - Voila

Stu

	02-09-2004 15:59									#99
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I suppose I would have problems if I tried to get (and keep) a job as Webmaster

Anyway, I'll try again.

(luckily I am retired )

	02-09-2004 16:13									#100
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IT WORKED

( @La Fayette who was exactly short of ONE click)

	02-09-2004 16:18									#101
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One click short of an upload

Sorry LF this might not translate well

Stu

	02-09-2004 17:42									#102
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I didn't keep a log file, but I have enough saves to reconstruct my game:

I started out with a standard ICS opening. As of 2250 BC, the Greek empire comprised four cities:

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	02-09-2004 17:55									#103
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After more expansion and exploration (and a lucky hut), the empire looked like this in 1000 BC:

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	02-09-2004 17:56									#104
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As of 425 BC, we had relieved the Mongols of one of their cities. Marco Polo had allowed us to find the location of the competition, and also let us begin our game-long campaign of extortion. Although the Russians started the Hanging Gardens before us, it was easy to beat them to that key wonder by rushbuilding caravans.

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	02-09-2004 17:56									#105
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By 25 BC, the Mongols were reduced to their capital. Since it was walled, I bypassed it to go after the Germans.

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	02-09-2004 17:57									#106
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By AD 240, the Germans had been eliminated and respawned as the French.

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	02-09-2004 17:59									#107
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By AD 500, we had seen the last of the Japanese:

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	02-09-2004 17:59									#108
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and the Spanish:

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	02-09-2004 18:00									#109
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WOW - way to go, Dave!!!!!!!!

Outstanding!

Stu

	02-09-2004 18:00									#110
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In AD 720, we had reached the endgame. The Chinese had fallen, and the Russians had been reduced to three cities. The French had respawned to an island as the Vikings.

We killed off the Vikings, conquered Sverdlosk and Tblisi, then bribed Beijing. The Russians respawned as the Romans right next to the Crusader who had destroyed Trondheim. His partner on the boat killed the Roman settler; no respawn, game over.

Final result: conquest in AD 740. Score 1864, 242%.

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	02-09-2004 18:27									#111
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DaveV,

Great game! Your excellent pictorial guide to victory was fun to read and watch. We all must have another conquest rematch, so I can work on improving my own methods.

LaFayette,

Success at last, but remember that you are one of those lucky ones that can recognize city walls when looking right at them!

Now if only I could tell when cities I am attacking are empty, I could fly my flags of victory even sooner!

	02-09-2004 18:39									#112
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quote: Originally posted by solo Now if only I could tell when cities I am attacking are empty, I could fly my flags of victory even sooner!

This is a joke? Right?

Stu

	02-09-2004 20:07									#113
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After reading the rest of the thread, I'll specify the rules of engagement I used: no black-clicking, no hut-finder. I bribed three cities: Nishapur, I think (?), Leipzig, and Beijing. The latter two were both walled, and I didn't want to lose a lot of units attacking them. Karakorum and Moscow were both walled and unbribeable. I barely was able to take Karakorum, losing, IIRC, four crusaders and three elephants (with one of each left with a sliver of life). I expected Moscow to be a huge climactic battle, and had most of my army gathered at its gates, but it fell easily.

I had a Spotless reputation for most of the game, but sneak-attacked the Spanish and Chinese when they wouldn't oblige me by declaring war. I think I ended the game at Despicable.

Here's a zip of the save files shown above in the above pictures:

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	03-09-2004 23:15									#114
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prize announced

Prize: 1 ApolytonPLUS month for the Best Score and Earliest Victory game!

	04-09-2004 02:14									#115
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Benevolent Dave = The lord of the sword

(I knew that already but those pictures show it unmistakably)

	06-09-2004 21:59									#116
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Congratulations, Dave.V !!

Your thorough I.C.S. article in the G.L. finally makes conquest strategy clear to me. Shields, shields, shields. Your generous postings of .sav's from this tourney also helped a lot. I replayed the game (for about the fourth time) aiming to match your growth and production rates. This shaved 1000 years off my original
conquest - from 1834AD to 840AD! I also kept a spotless rep, for whatever that's worth.

I had some luck with goody huts and could rush some settlers early on. I even surpassed your sleaziness for a while. But I lagged in science, maybe because 2-3 tributes/huts brought unwanted advances. So, I got elephants a few turns late. Our paths diverged around 1AD when I attacked Japan, (then Russia and China) instead of the Germans. My pace suffered a little at the end, because I didn't plan ahead for Spain - 9 cities, and far from home. But with 170 units and 180 cups of coffee, it's not too hard to carry out an attack.

BTW, I noticed a couple of odd things in your saves:

1) You built several cities in swampland/jungles on the road to Germany. (eg, see Meletos in your 25BC screenshot). Was there a reason?

2) A silk-special suddenly appears next to Athens (loc(6,16), between 1000BC and 425BC). Huh !?

BTW#2: Can anyone explain bonus scoring, or suggest a reference? The results seem to vary randomly by as much as 400 points; for example, when I finish off another player's game or replay the last few moves of one of my own games.

	06-09-2004 22:36									#117
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@Peaster

If you go on learning that fast from the master, I bet you become a master quite soon

	06-09-2004 22:39									#118
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About bonus scoring, there are old threads in the archive, but I couldn't care less, since playing for score is just a bore.
Have you tried the 'search' function ?

	06-09-2004 22:47									#119
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@ Peaster

2) The grass was mined to reveal a hidden special. There are many threads that will tell the whole story.

Outstanding result!!

Monk

	06-09-2004 22:59									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Peaster 1) You built several cities in swampland/jungles on the road to Germany. (eg, see Meletos in your 25BC screenshot). Was there a reason?

Let me give this one a shot.

I sometimes will build cities on a mountain or jungle when in conquer mode - the rationale being that a city can be built in 1 turn, complete with road, whereas building a road in the tile itself can take several turns. This trick obviously costs you a Settler, but when you have lots of Settlers and not as much time, it can be worthwhile.

Am I right?