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Is nicotine a neo-Pavlovian thing?
Ie. the craving for cigarettes is there because the body is conditioned to associate cigarettes with the nicotine, and then demands cigarettes. It is interesting...because the body would demand an entire package, rather than crave say, nicotine in a pill.
So if I put nicotine in diluted cyanide (as in, not immediately lethal), and drank it every now and then, would I crave cyanide?
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Winston
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Mar 1999
time: 06:35
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Update:
2nd patch now securely in place on upper right arm. Wouldn't know what to do if we didn't have those. Brrr. No smoking now for 35 hours, and I alternate between a feeling that I'm JUST in control of this thing, and feeling like a little defenseless lamb that's been left behind in the woods. Oh, what's to become of me?
As with the other times I've tried to quit, it's simply amazing how quickly and dramatically my senses and general condition improve. I'll make a little list of the changes since yesterday morning:
01) I can smell things I didn't use to, like going from one room to another where there's a slightly different odour. Or opening some food item and being able to smell it without having to stick by big nose half way through the food.
02) Food tastes stronger and better. Even a drink of Coke is vastly improved, like it's a different product or recipe from two days ago. I'm being careful not to eat too much though (eventhogh my appetite is improved), because the desire to smoke is bigger after meals.
03) I'm able to literally LOL at a post here or something funny in the paper, without having to hold back laughing for fear of coughing.
04) Breathing is much smoother now.
05) Chronic tension in upper back area has subsided.
06) Skin feels softer and cleaner (maybe I'm imagining this, but it's my impression)
07) Sensory impression/sense of touch (don't know English term) in general seems improved. It feels good, hard to explain.
08) Better, calmer sleep. I've slept twice now since quitting, and it's been remarkably more tranquil and fulfilling than what I'm used to.
Ok, I'll expand on the list in the coming days, as hopefully more benefits show themselves. I think I'll number them to keep a tally.
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Monk
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I don't think we're in Brønshøj anymore
Jan 1970
time: 06:35
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Hey Winston,
It's probably wise to focus on things such as those on your list.
On the subject of having a Coke, I've found a little sugar or caffeine here and there actually takes away some of the nicotine urge, and even if that stuff is addictive as well, and not too healthy either, I guess it's the lesser evil here.
Oh, the irony, I was actually smoking while I wrote the above. And not particularly enjoying it, I might add. It's a great idea you and Pekka have going here, can I join the project?
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Monk
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I don't think we're in Brønshøj anymore
Jan 1970
time: 06:35
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quote:
Originally posted by Kidicious
Monk,
No you have to put things in your mouth that don't have any taste. Tasting things makes you want to smoke. Of course you and some people might be different. |
Well, indeed I am often craving for a cigarette, but some of the time I find I'm mostly just craving for some kind of stimulation, hence the sugar and/or caffeine part.
Anyway, like you said, different people experience different needs. For example, even though my cigarette consumption goes up when I drink, I don't have as many problems going without as most others.
Now, abstaining on a work break on a stressful day, therein lies the real problem... 
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Lancer
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Oregon Coast, USA! or Bohol, Philippines!
Apr 1999
time: 05:35
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Pekka, I've waited to post in this thread until it's likely you've dropped the ball, screwed the moose, had a smoke.
This post is for you, the failure.
You've smoked, bought a pack or borrowed enough cigs by now to be a pain in the ass to your smoking friends, assuming you got any friends.
The message is this, never quit quitting.
In the end YOU will be the winner, not the damn cigarettes.
Remember, you just have to string enough non smoking days together and your cells will give you a friggin break. Pray alot, God helps.
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Monk
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I don't think we're in Brønshøj anymore
Jan 1970
time: 06:35
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Winston, on an off-topic note (hey, an off-topic note on an off-topic board would actually be on-topic, right?), do you know what's going on here on the Western outskirts of Copenhagen tonight? I live on the 7th floor, and I've just spent a couple of minutes on the balcony (with a cigarette, sigh) witnessing some pretty impressive and expensive fireworks that is going on.
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Monk
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I don't think we're in Brønshøj anymore
Jan 1970
time: 06:35
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quote:
Originally posted by Winston
Hmm, nothing special that I know of. Haven't you noticed there's always a lot of fireworks on weekend nights these days? It actually annoys me quite a bit sometimes, but it seems to be the trend that whenever you have a party or a wedding, you have to attempt to scare the bejeezus out of your neighbours at 22:00 or midnight. |
Do you live in the centre of the city? You've never told us, but I've always thought you lived in the northern parts, Østerbro or somewhere along the way to Lyngby.
From my balcony, I can see the western parts of the region only - Gladsaxe, Herlev, Ballerup and the other suburbs in the general direction of Roskilde - so I haven't experienced that much fireworks.
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Winston
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Danmark
Mar 1999
time: 06:35
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I'm in Vanløse. I could open my kitchen window and you'd feel the draft!
Edit: If you're at Bellahøj, you'd also be able to see the fireworks at Tivoli on Wednesdays and Staurdays at midnight. Admittedly, you'd see them in the distance, and probably not hear too much of it, but that could have been what you saw half an hour ago. They're quite impressive.
Last edited by Winston on 22-08-2004 at 03:48
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Monk
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I don't think we're in Brønshøj anymore
Jan 1970
time: 06:35
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quote:
Originally posted by Winston
I'm in Vanløse. I could open my kitchen window and you'd feel the draft! |
Cool, if you own your apartment, you can expect its price to rise dramatically in the future. Possibly even more than it has already. I never thought I'd say it, but bless the metro line 
quote:
Originally posted by Winston
I've wondered sometimes from your postings, do you by any chance live in one of the 10-12 story buildings on the hill at Bellahøj? If so, I can see straight to you from where I'm sitting now. |
I live in an student housing project further down Frederikssundsvej. Initially, it was allright, but eventually the social authorities in Tingbjerg on the other side of Vestvolden began sending its troubled youth this way. If you had owned a television set, you could have witnessed the results yourself when TV2/Lorry came by to cover the problems we have out here.
I'd like to live on Bellahøj, but no, I'm forced to live here:
http://www.dr.dk/nsapi.dr/regioner/...t=599&keepcat=n
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21-08-2004 09:50
Too expensive anyway, and bad for your health. Quite controversial anyway, me shouting about people should live healthy, trying to eat correctly and work out a lot, not drinking so much alcohol either, but then smoking.... but that's the end of it!
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