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I love this column by Coulter. It demonstrates that almost all recent Democrat "war heroes" are frauds:

http://www.anncoulter.org/

"There ought to be a special word -- something German -- to describe the feeling of revulsion normal people experience when reading lines like these from a single article on John Kerry by Laura Blumenfeld in The Washington Post:

-- "Kerry's complexity has been an issue since his national debut in 1971."

-- "Kerry likes to quote the French writer Andre Gide: 'Don't try to understand me too quickly.'"

-- "His friend Dan Barbiero said it comes down to Kerry's complexity ..."

(Apparently, Kerry's answers on the LSAT were too nuanced and complex for the Harvard Law School admissions committee: Despite all his connections, fancy education and war-protesting, Kerry couldn't get into Harvard Law School and went to Boston College Law School instead. Wait -- didn't Kerry throw that famous, game-winning "Hail Mary" pass while playing quarterback for Boston College back in the '80s? Or am I thinking of somebody else? Let's ask Doug Brinkley!)

-- "Flying to his next campaign stop, he chatted about maneuvers to avoid flak in combat."

-- "This was Primal John ... who ran with the bulls at Pamplona and, when trampled, got up, chased the bull, and grabbed for its horns."

(I'm almost sure this was a polite reference to John and Teresa's honeymoon night.)

The problem with a suck-up press for Democrats is that with no adversary press to call them on it, Democrats develop wilder and wilder Walter Mitty fantasy lives until finally one day, when they are at the zenith of their political careers, someone notices that they're not Irish, they didn't deserve their war medals, 254 Swift Boat veterans hate them, and they didn't spend Christmas Eve, 1968, in Cambodia. (Or that they are white-trash serial molesters and unrepentant rapists who somehow talked their way into an Arkansas governorship.)

The Boston Globe biography of Kerry published earlier this year compliantly repeats Kerry's yarn about how he spent Christmas 1968 in Cambodia "despite President Nixon's assurances that there was no combat action in this neutral territory."

Only recently did someone point out: (1) Kerry was 55 miles away from the Cambodian border on Christmas 1968 and (2) Nixon wasn't president in 1968. (How did "historian" Doug Brinkley miss that in his biography of Kerry?)

The media will spend weeks going through pay stubs for Bush's National Guard service in Alabama in the waning days of war, but if Kerry tells them exotic tales of covert missions into Cambodia directed by Richard Nixon, they don't even bother to fact-check who was president in December 1968.

Tom Harkin, Crazed Moron, was shouting this week that Dick Cheney is a "coward," evidently for not fighting in Vietnam like Harkin. Except Harkin didn't fight in Vietnam either! The last time Harkin was bragging about his Vietnam service was in 1984 when he told David Broder of The Washington Post: "I spent five years as a Navy pilot, starting in November of 1962. One year was in Vietnam. I was flying F-4s and F-8s on combat air patrols and photo-reconnaissance support missions."

Sen. Barry Goldwater -- not the Post -- checked with the Defense Department and soon Harkin was forced to admit he had never been in combat in Vietnam, but was based in Japan during the war, ferrying damaged planes from the Saigon airport to Japan for repairs. Oops!

Then there was Al Gore who, like Kerry, was in Vietnam just long enough to get photos for his future political campaigns. (Apparently all future Democratic politicians take cameras to war zones.)

Gore enlisted in the Army in 1970 in a calculated gambit to help his senator dad in an election year. Young Al was given a cushy job writing for the Stars and Stripes newspaper, a bodyguard, and an exit strategy when Pops lost the election. After five months of this hygienic tour of duty, Little Lord Fauntleroy asked to come home, and before long he was safe and sound and preparing to flunk out of divinity school and then drop out of law school.

But over the next 30 years, Gore provided the media with increasingly macho reminiscences of his combat experiences in Vietnam -- almost as vivid and stirring as the impassioned account he gave of being a tobacco farmer.

-- "I pulled my turn on the perimeter at night and walked through the elephant grass and I was fired upon." (The Baltimore Sun)

-- "I took my turn regularly on the perimeter in these little firebases out in the boonies. Something would move, we'd fire first and ask questions later." (Vanity Fair)

-- "I was shot at. I spent most of my time in the field." (The Washington Post)

I think someone needs to explain to the Democrats that having your picture taken is not what most veterans mean by "being shot at."

During World War II, then-congressman Lyndon Johnson went on a single flight -- as an observer -- for which he was awarded the Silver Star by Gen. Douglas MacArthur. Only recently has it been exposed that the medal was a complete fraud, probably awarded by MacArthur to curry favor with a congressman.

At the time, no one in the press bothered to investigate why Johnson was the only member of the crew to receive any sort of decoration for the 13-minute flight that never came under enemy fire -- and on which Johnson was merely an "observer." For the rest of his life Johnson got away with wearing what historian David Halberstam called "the least deserved and most proudly displayed Silver Star in military history."

Johnson told harrowing tales of his uneventful 13-minute flight, boasting that the men had called him "Raider Johnson." One time he harangued a congressman on foreign aid, saying: "I know foreign aid is unpopular, but I didn't want to go to the Pacific in '41 after Pearl Harbor, but I did. I didn't want to let those Japs shoot at me ... but I did."

The sole surviving member of the crew, Ret. Staff Sgt. Bob Marshall, U.S. Army, a gunner on the plane, disputed Johnson's story about being attacked by Japanese Zeros: "No way. No, that story was made up ... we had never seen a Zero. It was never attacked. There was nothing."

If only talk radio and cable TV had been around in the '60s, we'd be able to hear James Carville call Bob Marshall a liar and watch the Democratic National Committee threaten to sue any TV station that aired his story.

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Bob Kerrey is a Democrat and a real hero.

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Coulter?

Jesus... she needs to get laid. Where's Ted when he's needed?

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Wiglaf is definitely a lot better at this than Ned.

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I must say, I don't find Coulter any better than the democrats as far as credibility goes...

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"People who do not share my political views are either wrong or liars."

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This negative campaigning on Kerry's war record is so vain.
It only strengthen the faith of those who will already vote for Bush, while it doesn't affect the electoral decision of all the others.

I've heard Kerry had a bump among the undecided after the democratic convention. The current negative campaigning has very little chance to offset that bump.

Maybe Karl Rove is more talented than that. Maybe he is sparing all the positive campaigning for the Rep convention? Maybe this is just a maneuvre to strengthen the faith of the already-zealots, before catering to the actual undecided?

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So, Ned, how does Coulter (or how do you) figure that Kerry is linked with Johnson?


Oh, they're both Democrats, riiiight.

Well in which case why don't we just mention that big ole Savings and Loan Scandal that the BUSH FAMILY were implicated in?

You know, related to each other by blood and politics kind of people....


Still interesting isn't it, that Johnson was at least in the Pacific, whilst the nearest Bush Baby came to Viet Nam was flying over a shrimp boat in America.

But even they who only had fillings in their teeth on their tour of duty also served, eh?

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Of course the thread is not about John Kerry, but about democrats liars in general.

So why do you instictively come to the defense of John Kerry when the question of fraudulent war records come up?

And trust me, more than a few people have been swayed by Kerry's exposure as a fraud. Lucky for him most people who will vote for him are not really giving Kerry support, just voting against Bush.

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I stopped reading at 'Coulter'. Y'all should have to...

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Politicians routinely lie.

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Ah, but Republicans (politicians) are gutless cowards who use their family connections to get out of fighting but are happy send poor kids to their deaths instead.

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Not poor, just blacks.

Yeah because the Bush family has never seen any combat.....

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i think bush is compensating

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Ah, but Republicans (politicians) are gutless cowards who use their family connections to get out of fighting but are happy send poor kids to their deaths instead.

Yeah, but THEY TELL IT OPENLY AND PROUDLY !!!§§1111!!!!!

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I've heard Kerry had a bump among the undecided after the democratic convention. The current negative campaigning has very little chance to offset that bump.



There is much debate about this right now. It appears that Kerry's campaign disagrees with you. The swiftboat add is being blamed for some lower polling numbers for Kerry of late.

About Kerry's "bump" after the convention...it was much smaller than expected and among likely voters, Bush actually had a bump. Kerry's campaign is in trouble. If Bush has a strong convention, then expect Rove to go very Positive and concentrate on ads inspiring Patriotism.

Oh...didn't everyone know that all democrats are liars??

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Oh...didn't everyone know that all democrats are liars??

Aren't they politicians?

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Aren't they politicians?


There is only one politician I somewhat trust...some idealistic young communist from France...

Strange how life works.

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There is only one politician I somewhat trust...some idealistic young communist from France...

Strange how life works.

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Molly, et al., I think the major point in Ann makes here is that the Democrats tend to lie about their war records (and perhaps a lot of other things) because the press never investigates anything they say and so they can say anything and get away with it.

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clinton got a blowjob, lied about it and as a result almost got himself impeched over it...

this idiot and his clique starts a war with no good reason and nobody seems to care enough to start a serious investigation ?

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See US TV - sex is banned, violence encouraged.

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clinton got a blowjob, lied about it and as a result almost got himself impeched over it...

this idiot and his clique starts a war with no good reason and nobody seems to care enough to start a serious investigation ?


Yeah, but it was NOT the press who investigated. It was the Special Prosecutor.

Coulter's point remains.

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Ned: There is a certain understanding in most aspects of society, including the press, that you don't question the service of any person who it is documented fought in any major war. Democrat or Republican or Independent, you treat them with respect and admiration. If they have medals, that's futher reason not to question their actions during their service. You could bring up Bush's national guard service as a sign that the media is trying to ruin something, but if he really had actively served, no one would question him. The media, as much as you and Coulter don't like it, does not actively seek to ruin veterans.

That precident was set in the 2000 Republican Primary by George W. Bush and Karl Rove.

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Ned: There is a certain understanding in most aspects of society, including the press, that you don't question the service of any person who it is documented fought in any major war. Democrat or Republican or Independent, you treat them with respect and admiration. If they have medals, that's futher reason not to question their actions during their service. You could bring up Bush's national guard service as a sign that the media is trying to ruin something, but if he really had actively served, no one would question him. The media, as much as you and Coulter don't like it, does not actively seek to ruin veterans.

That precident was set in the 2000 Republican Primary by George W. Bush and Karl Rove.


Perhaps we have had no history of investigations of a war record before because it is assumed that the person getting the medals deserved them. However, Kerry brought this on himself by trashing his comrads, first in 1971 and then in his book. This has nothing to do with Bush.

The question is, will the press now start to investigate everyone's claims to be a hero in the future having found that Kerry's claim to be a hero is largely bogus.

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Why the hell is Kerry's "claim" (when, in fact, it is the Military's claim) that he is a hero bogus? Because a bunch of partisan veterans with a bias for Kerry came out and made some statements about him that may or may not be true?

This newest ad is even worse. It charges Kerry with saying things that were in fact taken WAY out of context. When he spoke in 1971, he did speak of atrocities, but the part they left out is the FIRST sentance, where he says that this is being relayed to him through first-hand experience of other veterans who didn't like the war and wanted to tell their experiences of atrocities that they wanted relayed to the Senate in order to stop the war.

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth According to Liars and Biased Individuals

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The way it seems to me he was trashing the system that had him and his comrades doing that stuff, not his comrades.

So it comes down to a choice between someone who's hero status is disputed versus a confirmed draft dodger. I'd ignore the issue and vote for the one whos policies I agreed with.

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Why the hell is Kerry's "claim" (when, in fact, it is the Military's claim) that he is a hero bogus? Because a bunch of partisan veterans with a bias for Kerry came out and made some statements about him that may or may not be true?

This newest ad is even worse. It charges Kerry with saying things that were in fact taken WAY out of context. When he spoke in 1971, he did speak of atrocities, but the part they left out is the FIRST sentance, where he says that this is being relayed to him through first-hand experience of other veterans who didn't like the war and wanted to tell their experiences of atrocities that they wanted relayed to the Senate in order to stop the war.

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TEF, you are definitely misunderstanding the degree of shock and anger our soldiers had to Kerry's senate testimony, not only at the time but over the years. Trying to parse it carefully now may be pursuasive to younger folk who were not there. But to people who put their lives on the line for a cause, Kerry is traitor.

His comrades did support Kerry in the past when he personally was charged with war crimes. But they largely turned on him when they found out just how much he trashed them and glorified himself in his book "Tour of Duty" that was published in January of this year.

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Truman and Kennedy sure were evil liars.

 
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