26-08-2004 22:52									#121
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quote: Originally posted by MalevolentLight I find it interesting that majority of the liberals on here attacking bush and supporting kerry are from countries other than the US. I guess that's a sign we have a good president when the foreign lefties are outraged by him and will do anything to try to influence our election.

Yeah, that's it, he MUST be good because he's lost the trust of and given the middle finger to just about all of our allies!

4 more years!

	26-08-2004 22:59									#122
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Just because they are our allies does not mean they are

a) right.

b) always acting in our interests.

c) sincere themselves.

	26-08-2004 23:04									#123
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60 years of building alliances thrown out the window by a cowboy who went into a country that wasn't a threat to us. Now the only ones who went with us of any importance (UK, Spain, Italy...oh, look at that, Europeans) are really rethinking jumping on the bandwagon.

Because Bush angered all of these nations makes him an ARROGANT president, not a GOOD president.

	26-08-2004 23:13									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Just because they are our allies does not mean they are b) always acting in our interests.

Allies never act in our interest only in thier interest. If those coincide bully for us but it's never a good idea to assume any other country is acting for our benefit.

	26-08-2004 23:27									#125
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous 60 years of building alliances thrown out the window by a cowboy who went into a country that wasn't a threat to us. Now the only ones who went with us of any importance (UK, Spain, Italy...oh, look at that, Europeans) are really rethinking jumping on the bandwagon. Because Bush angered all of these nations makes him an ARROGANT president, not a GOOD president.

Let's be particular. By alliances you mean France and Germany. France hasn't been a true ally since de Gaulle. Germany was anti-American and anti-Bush before Iraq. Think back to the Bush-bashing that took place in the last major German elections.

	26-08-2004 23:30									#126
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Dead on, Ned. (In relation to his initial thread starting post)

quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Of course the thread is not about John Kerry, but about democrats liars in general. So why do you instictively come to the defense of John Kerry when the question of fraudulent war records come up?

Anytime the term "liar" is mentioned all liberals immediately defend all Democrats running for office. Its an inbred instinct.

	26-08-2004 23:31									#127
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Ned,

I hope you weren't implying that de Gaulle was actually an ardent ally. His "go it alone", "France first and foremost", ploys are manifold.

	26-08-2004 23:35									#128
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Kerry is trumpeting his military record because his opponents are accusing him of being weak militarily.

He's trumpeting it because the ENTIRE reason he went to Vietnam was to film and build up for his future political career and run for the Presidency. He didn't go to Vietnam to serve his country, he went to Vietnam so he could pad his political resume.

Now that all of his efforts aren't giving him a huge lead he's frustrated that his Vietnam experiences are going to have been a fruitless investment.

	26-08-2004 23:39									#129
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Actually a liability not even a fruitless investment, more like one investing in penny stocks and losing your shirt.

	26-08-2004 23:47									#131
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at least somebody actually did go over to vietnam.

i like how to some conservatives and rightists, being a liar, a slanderer, a leftist, anti-us, evil, and anti-patriotic are entirely synonymous.

i would like nothing more than for the entire right to be exterminated in a blinding and dizzying flash of light, which i will call "truth", but will in all likelihood be a nuclear blast.

of course, i'd also like nothing more than for the entire left to be exterminated in a blinding and dizzying flass of light, which i will call "political correctness", but will in all likelihood be a nuclear blast.

	26-08-2004 23:49									#132
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But the left is so clueless, its just so entertaining watching them trying to accomplish anything.

Especially later, when it all collapses around them.

	27-08-2004 00:05									#133
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Anyone else not surprised Ned reads Coulter?

	27-08-2004 00:19									#134
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the right hasn't exactly impressed me with anything they've tried to accomplish.

if anything, what they have succeeded in ramming through as only further alienated me. like that recent tax cut to working families who would get breaks if they had children.

oh, except of the family earned less than 40k. then they wouldn't get that break at all. boy, that's family friendly.

	27-08-2004 01:47									#135
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Q, Almost all families below $40K have no income tax liability...hard to cut what they are paying.



Is everybody here anti-free speech? Coulter can have her say...SwiftVets can have theirs...move0n can have theirs!

Stop whining! (Of course you are free to continue that as well...)

	27-08-2004 02:10									#136
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quote: Q, Almost all families below $40K have no income tax liability...hard to cut what they are paying.

all i'm saying is that bush should not then go out and say he has cut taxes for the families with children in order to help them out.

why? because those that needed the help most didn't get a hand, they got a poke in the eye. it didn't help that although bush was willing to extend the cuts to them, it was a ****ing deal he made with congressmen to cut them out of the help.

it's not fair to say that the left is completely impotent when it's more accurate to say that nobody in washington has any potency without their viagra prescriptions--which, mind you, are probably paid for by their health insurance, while many women are lacking coverage for their birth control.

	27-08-2004 02:12									#137
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed at least somebody actually did go over to vietnam.

Where was this when Billy boy was accused of draft dodging. All I heard from the left when this issue came up was it doesn't matter or the war was wrong anyway, or any number of reasons saying that his actions all those years ago was not important to his becomming president. Now that their current boy is running for president, all of a sudden service in Vietnam is all the issue.

Neither side gives a damn about those that never came back. One side is whoring their service to get elected and the other side is doing whatever they can to find fault in it. Disgusting from both parties and those here that fall for it and defend either one aren't much better..

	27-08-2004 02:32									#138
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Sprayber, there are also people like me who were part of the who Vietnam thing and who are extremely angry with John Kerry for what he did.

	27-08-2004 02:41									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Sprayber, there are also people like me who were part of the who Vietnam thing and who are extremely angry with John Kerry for what he did.

I just find it disgusting that after so many years, service in Vietnam is now such a hot ticket for the left. Why wasn't it so important in the 90's?

	27-08-2004 02:46									#140
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Service in Vietnam is not the issue. Being a traitor is.

	27-08-2004 03:43									#141
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber Why wasn't it so important in the 90's?

It's only important because he's one of the extremely very few the Democrats have who have ever come close to having any military experience.

Other than draft dodging.

	27-08-2004 04:42									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Service in Vietnam is not the issue. Being a traitor is.

Who's the traitor? The guy who uses daddy's influence to stay home instead of going to war, right?

	27-08-2004 04:47									#143
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu Who's the traitor? The guy who uses daddy's influence to stay home instead of going to war, right?

No, Ned thinks killing people in Indochina was okay, so long as you didn't go there, do it, and then exhibited remorse.


THEN, you were a traitor.

All Bushbaby killed was a few litres of alcohol by all accounts.

Well, except his accounts, which change more regularly than his boxers.

	27-08-2004 04:47									#144
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John Kerry is not a traitor. That's libel, which I guess coming from someone like you is to be expected.

	27-08-2004 04:49									#145
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Haven't you heard, Fab?

All liberals are traitors. So sayeth the Coulter.

	27-08-2004 04:51									#146
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All hail the she-male!

	27-08-2004 04:54									#147
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Your cow seems to enjoy dancing to the cowbell.

We should always post before and after each other in the same thread.

	27-08-2004 04:55									#148
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Christopher Walken isn't the only one with a fever!

	27-08-2004 04:56									#149
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous All hail the she-male!

Jeez.


Is that Ned in drag?

	27-08-2004 05:16									#150
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Service in Vietnam is not the issue. Being a traitor is.

The last time I checked having a controversial opinion, expressing opposition to your government's policy and/or trying to expose what you regard as wrongdoing was not treason in a democracy.

I know some conservatives think it is - for reasons they never seem able to explain.