23-08-2004 23:37									#31
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Small & dumb might get picked on too, I guess, but I think the smart kids bring out more viciousness in the bullies (jealousy?). It seemed to me, when I was in HS, that class participation + good grades (so being smart and actually trying in school, or being unsuccessful in hiding those things) were the Cardinal sins.

I made the mistake of actually talking in class. You know, when the teacher asked a question? I would eventually get tired of the silence and answer it. Every once and a while, I would *gasp* ask a question! This, of course, was interpretted as me sucking up to the teachers.

-Arrian

	23-08-2004 23:39									#32
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Popular, at least Senior year. Had a good time. We had a small school, however, so it was easy to be known.

I went back for my 10th and it's amazing how people change. Popularity in high school isn't much of an indicator for future success.

	23-08-2004 23:43									#33
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Popularity in high school isn't much of an indicator for future success.

Actually, in some sense, I find it is - just in the opposite way you might think. The most popular (of course, with the caveats I gave above) kids in my school are, generally speaking, those with the least success. When your life peaks at 16 or 17, it's not a good sign.

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I don't think that's the case, fortunately. Rather, the popular people just succeed in equal portion to the unpopular people, which makes the fall of the popular people look so spectacular.

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i would say popular... i was seen as a bit of a nut, getting in repeated fights, cussing at teachers and the principal, etc. but everybody in every grade knew me and was friends with me (even the people i fought)

teachers and the administrators didnt know how to feel about me though, someone who would talk in class, get in fights, and spend most of the class playing games with people (we had something where we would try to steal bookbags from people sitting seats away from us and turn them inside out), yet still got perfect scores on all his tests and did all the work (my high school transcript lists my GPA as 4.0+, with a plus )

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	23-08-2004 23:57									#36
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In HS, I was kind of standing next to the social ladder. I was certainly not one of the popular, socialable guys - in fact, I had very few close friends - but on the other side I was respected for my academic achievement. The whole jocks-looking-down-on-the-academically-successful thing didn't exist at my school, perhaps because it was a technical HS, with generally well-motivated students.

Back in elementary school, I was bullied pretty badly, to which I reacted quite violently. In retrospect, I have to be impressed by bullies who would not leave me alone after getting beaten up. It must take a special kind of courage to continue attacking the guy who threw you down a flight of stairs last time 'round.

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quote: Originally posted by Arrian That pretty much sums it up. Just change the "or" to an "and." Which is probably the reason I couldn't have cared less that I heard nothing about a 10-yr reunion (I graduated in 1994). There are like 5 people I might have wanted to see & talk to. -Arrian

Eh, we've got our 10-year reunion coming up this fall, and even though I know about it, I'm debating whether or not I'm going.

I took all the honors and AP classes, but made underachieving grades, and also started on the offensive and defensive lines for three years, so was really kind of a smart slacker jock. There were only 30 people in my class, though, so cliques weren't as stringent and everybody pretty well got along, with plenty of good natured teasing and very little, if any, intraclass bullying. Even though a couple of my classmates are still among my best friends, and I harbor no particular grudge toward anybody, I simply moved on and lost touch. Those I really want to see, I already keep in touch with. I'll probably go, just to see if I can hit it (tm :b with a couple of the chicks I never got a chance with back then.

	24-08-2004 01:36									#38
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Obviously, some people don't ****ing get it. There is a world of difference for getting made fun of because people are playing around with you as friends (******* friends, but friends), or because you did something stupid, and being made fun of because you exist. It's like saying that people who get tortured should just toughen up cuz everyone get's hit at some point.

Oh please. You seriously need to get in touch with reality. It wasn't just playing around with friends. There are popular people who didn't like eachother and **** went down becaues of that. The popular people got made fun of for doing stupid things. You need to stop blaming people and just get on with your life.

The only people it doesn't happen to are the people who really kept to themselves, whether they were popular or not.

	24-08-2004 01:44									#39
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Apoc,

Are you honestly trying to say that everyone gets treated the same in HS? Because if so, you had a very, very different HS experience than I did. I do not spend much time thinking about that now, 10 years on (except when a thread like this pops up), but the culture in my HS was absolute ****. I consider it a major problem in our society, as a matter of fact.

-Arrian

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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Oh please. You seriously need to get in touch with reality. It wasn't just playing around with friends. There are popular people who didn't like eachother and **** went down becaues of that. The popular people got made fun of for doing stupid things. You need to stop blaming people and just get on with your life. The only people it doesn't happen to are the people who really kept to themselves, whether they were popular or not.

cant speak for guevera, but what i experienced went far beyond being made fun of. One particular jerk and his pals made tormenting me one of their daily passtimes, including occasionally physical harassment. He also got at least one kid who had been a good friend into his "gang" Fortunately i had a little group of 3 guys and 4 girls who hung together, and we survived JHS that way. But we were always the "outs". At Stuyvesant I healed.

	24-08-2004 01:50									#41
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I liked high school.
I got more p*ssy in high school than in college.

	24-08-2004 01:51									#42
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hmmm its hard to place myself

I went to a very small school and was the nerd in that I got the highest grades always, but I was also on several sports teams including assistant captain of the hockey team , hung out with two of the guys that everyone would have said were the most popular and was banging the captain of the cheerleaders (very hot)

I don't know if a really small school defeats most of the labels or what. I just figure the fact that I was having sex with a hot girl would exclude me from the nerd category

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quote: Are you honestly trying to say that everyone gets treated the same in HS? Because if so, you had a very, very different HS experience than I did. I do not spend much time thinking about that now, 10 years on (except when a thread like this pops up), but the culture in my HS was absolute ****. I consider it a major problem in our society, as a matter of fact.

No, I'm not saying everyone gets it the same. It's not completely different though. It matters if you let that **** get to you. Some people just are able to keep in touch with reality a little better so they don't get all depressed and upset about it. Then they have friends. No one likes a whiner or a depressive.

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Yeah, that would probably do it. The sports help, too.

How small are we talking about, by the way, and was it public or private? I think that the small private schools are really different than public schools.

Mine was public, albeit a rather small one (my graduating class was 126 people). Big enough for cliques, certainly, but the town was small enough for reputations to stick with you from middle school (the TRUE 7th circle of hell).

-Arrian

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quote: cant speak for guevera, but what i experienced went far beyond being made fun of. One particular jerk and his pals made tormenting me one of their daily passtimes, including occasionally physical harassment. He also got at least one kid who had been a good friend into his "gang" Fortunately i had a little group of 3 guys and 4 girls who hung together, and we survived JHS that way. But we were always the "outs". At Stuyvesant I healed.

No...you got something worse because you want to believe that. Whining about occasional physical harrassment in high school is just silly. Sooo many people get that. Move on.

	24-08-2004 01:57									#46
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Where bouts in Houston you at?


I am in Humble

	24-08-2004 01:59									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood Where bouts in Houston you at? I am in Humble

In Spring, right off Rayford so it's still north side.

	24-08-2004 02:00									#48
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Wow, talk about belittling other people's experiences. How the hell do you know what LotM went through (or Che, or me?)? You don't. You, for whatever reason, really want to believe that the people who got it bad in school are just whiners who are out of touch with reality. Whereas I think it's you who is out of touch with reality. That, or just a jerk. I'm not sure which.

-Arrian

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Since I just finished HS in May (and get exam results on thursday...), I have to be honest and say that the first 2 years there were hell. I knew no body there, since I was the only person from my primary school to get the required grades, and I rarely make friends easily, fearing rejection at little to much.


I was fairly popular for the last 3 years in HS, since it was then that they reorganized the classes, and we were allowed to reorganize the subjects we took. I was with the jocks, and helped them with there science and maths homework. That and playing Sport (Football) during Lunch has made me more than enough friends and respectability so that I can get on with my life...

	24-08-2004 02:07									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse No...you got something worse because you want to believe that. Whining about occasional physical harrassment in high school is just silly. Sooo many people get that. Move on.

	24-08-2004 02:08									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Wow, talk about belittling other people's experiences. How the hell do you know what LotM went through (or Che, or me?)? You don't. You, for whatever reason, really want to believe that the people who got it bad in school are just whiners who are out of touch with reality. Whereas I think it's you who is out of touch with reality. That, or just a jerk. I'm not sure which.

Well I was the only one to put Popular/Teaser

But seriously. I got it really bad in junior high. One guy liked to punch me as hard as he could a few times in the arm some mornings and then check on the bruise throughout the day. I was called gay all the time. I didn't have any friends. That's largely why I spent most of my time working on Apolyton's rival SidGames.com. No one to hang out with on weekends and after school. In high school it started off fairly similiar, but then I got my **** together, became popular, and saw the same things happen with the popular guys, it's just that they generally don't let it get to them and fight back. And it's not just my experience, I've discussed it with others before.

And yes, I am trying to belittle your experiences. You should belittle them. Forget it and be glad you moved on. Stop whining about how horrible high school is and it should be changed some how.

	24-08-2004 02:09									#52
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Normal.

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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Wow, talk about belittling other people's experiences. How the hell do you know what LotM went through (or Che, or me?)? You don't. You, for whatever reason, really want to believe that the people who got it bad in school are just whiners who are out of touch with reality. Whereas I think it's you who is out of touch with reality. That, or just a jerk. I'm not sure which. -Arrian

evidently he was so sure of what happened to me, he didnt even need to read my post, since he says high school and i said JHS (is it only new yorkers who recognize the abbreviation for JUNIOR high school?)

	24-08-2004 02:11									#54
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I have gone through the bullying shite that happens. It is not nice when you have no one to talk too. You endure all the pain and humiliation at school, and then your parents just assume your having fun...that was hell, and I sympathise with everyone who has endured/ is enduring such pain.

	24-08-2004 02:15									#55
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quote: Well I was the only one to put Popular/Teaser

I'm not surprised.

quote: And yes, I am trying to belittle your experiences. You should belittle them. Forget it and be glad you moved on. Stop whining about how horrible high school is and it should be changed some how

I figured as much. Thanks so much for trying to help me. Like I said, I do not sit around thinking about this stuff normally. I only do if there is a reason: such as this thread. It's not like I'm wallowing in misery over stuff that happened 10+ yrs ago. Thus, no need to tell me to get a life. I have one, and I like it.

That being said, HS culture does suck and ideally should change. It's not "whiny" to say that kids shouldn't get beat on & picked on just because they're small or smart or have a funny name, or whatever.

-Arrian

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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Well I was the only one to put Popular/Teaser But seriously. I got it really bad in junior high. One guy liked to punch me as hard as he could a few times in the arm some mornings and then check on the bruise throughout the day. I was called gay all the time. I didn't have any friends. That's largely why I spent most of my time working on Apolyton's rival SidGames.com. No one to hang out with on weekends and after school. In high school it started off fairly similiar, but then I got my **** together, became popular, and saw the same things happen with the popular guys, it's just that they generally don't let it get to them and fight back.

and then you told the other popular kids to cut it out with bullying the others? Or you just found that by joining in, they didnt bully you, only fooled around?

quote: And yes, I am trying to belittle your experiences. You should belittle them. Forget it and be glad you moved on. Stop whining about how horrible high school is and it should be changed some how.

I had a WONDERFUL time in high school, but my time in Junior high school was lousy, and I did NOTHING to deserve it, just have be in a class with a bunch of f*cked up and jealous kids. And there are kids whose middle school experience is far worse, and who do end up totally f*cked up. Even doing acts of violence (unless you think its the video games, huh?)

But of course no one elses experience could be different from yours, and no one elses point of view matters. Typical bully.

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark evidently he was so sure of what happened to me, he didnt even need to read my post, since he says high school and i said JHS (is it only new yorkers who recognize the abbreviation for JUNIOR high school?)

What I said applies to both anyway.

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quote: Originally posted by Arrian That being said, HS culture does suck and ideally should change. It's not "whiny" to say that kids shouldn't get beat on & picked on just because they're small or smart or have a funny name, or whatever.

But it's not just because they are small or smart or have a funny name. There are people like that who are popular.

	24-08-2004 02:22									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse stuff

I HAVE moved on. That doesn't change the fact it still sucked at the time, and others are having sucky things happen to them.

I suppose all the shellshocked marines out there are a bunch of pussies that need to get over the war, eh?

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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse But it's not just because they are small or smart or have a funny name. There are people like that who are popular.

Look, you werent at my JHS - im not even sure you were alive when those events transpired. What gives you the gall to think that you know what happened?
You have your own experience, and you talked to a couple of others in the same school you attended? And from this you can generalize to the every situation in the world?? I dont know if you are a jerk, but I CAN say that your understanding of scientific method sucks donkey balls, so to speak.