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actually magnets make a magnetic field - i wonder if that would work.

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Immediate Goals


VERY rough draft document - prototype phase


1) Food and Fresh Water Assessment
a) Determine size and extent of fresh water sources
b) Determine size and extent of indegenous food supplies
c) Create "Planting Zones" and set about prepping that land to recieve the first crop as soon as the seasons permit - Set up an Agro Company to handle growing the crops
d) Create whatever infrastructure is necessary to support the farming activities (paths to and from the planting zones, larders, storage facilities for the excess, etc)
e) Investigate the fishing situation, and set up a company designed around that industry

2) Assessment of imported supplies
a) Gather all supplies at a central location under the direction of the Quartermaster - inventory and catalog
b) Construct a storehouse for all unused supplies, and then begin to dole them out to whomever is working on tasks where our tools are needed
c) the governmental HQ will be centered at the Quartermaster's building, so that building can pull double duty (cuts down on needed construction)

3) Housing Assessment
a) Need to determine how many/what sorts of materials would be required to build basic dwellings so we can do something besides sleep under the stars, then form "Construction Companies" to begin building said homes and dwellings for the population of Liberty

4) Other Construction
a) Electrical generation, and construction of water wheels and whatever else is needed for the generation of electricity (wheel house, etc)
b) Machine Shop - Might be very limited/bare bones, but we need to organize one to experiment with making our own tools and supplies from DAY ONE!
c) Sundries shop (wood working (cups, bowls, urns, etc), basket weaving, net and rope making, etc.

5) Research - the purpose of the research department will be to come up with ideas (even if they sound utterly rediculous) to help all of us push our thinking. This person will also be responsible for evaluating land management and use, charting the best fishing grounds, and will serve as the island weatherman. (code name: Tinker, to keep with DF's naming theme)

6) Medical Care
a) assess and stockpile medicinal supplies and investigate the possibility of making use of local flora and fauna for medicinal purposes
b) construction of a medical facility

7) Constabulary
a) Need a chief justice to settle disputes and serve as the island's legal mind
b) Need a facility for this purpose, and a holding cell (not that I expect we'll have much need, but better to have and not use than to not have if needed)

Economic structure: Simple barter/ad hoc for the moment, moving toward Free Market economics as soon as supporting infrastructure is in place, and we move beyond subsistance level. At the outset (and until necessary infrastructure is in place, the government will control rights to all land and fishing zones, if this proves acceptable to the people)

Mid-Range Goals


1) Move beyond subsistance level economics

2) Government Surplus Venting (all remaining tools and supplies used to pay salaries to the island's inhabitants as we move away from subsistance-level economics)

3) Establishment of formal currency and primitive banking system (Pawn shop system, until more advanced infrastructure is established) Central bank established to support the early banking substructure.

4) Land grants/fishing zone grants given to island inhabitants who apply (size of plots to be determined by population once we have that information)--copying the US model for expansion

5) Basic taxation code drafted (this to be kept very minimal, as the only purpose our 'government' will serve once we get to this point will be to draft legislation as necessary, watchdog the companies, oversee the banking industry, and maintain island infrastructure (including maintaining the judiciary)

The goal of the provisional government is to build sufficient infrastructure so that we can gravitate to a system of market economics on the island. There will, by necessity, be a transitionary period required to build and firmly establish all needed infrastructure to support such a move, in order to maximize its chances of success. The citizens of the island agree upon electing the provisional government that after a two-year period, the governing board comes under review, and a new vote is held to either re-elect, or vote no-confidence and replace the provisional governing body.

Provisional governing body may serve no more than three such two-year terms, and is chartered with moving the Island of Liberty away from subsistance-level economics and into the beginnings of a Market economy within that timeframe.

Executive head of the government will be supported by a Congressional branch, with both parties held in check by the Island's Judiciary.

Exact size and composition of the congressional branch to be determined as more information on population becomes available. (if the population is exceedingly small, then the whole of the island can simply serve in this function).

-=Vel=-

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Kid: Things we need from you

If we are allowed to escape....how much can we take with us? Just what we can carry on our backs, or will we be able to outfit a small ship with supplies?

How much contact will be permitted with Kiditopia?

-=Vel=-

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I hope Kid will not reply to this thread.

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actually magnets make a magnetic field - i wonder if that would work.



Or, you could produce an electric current.

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explain. im intrigued.

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Magnetic fields are produced from currents (as well as a changing electric flux). Look up the "Biot-Savart Law."

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c) Create "Planting Zones" and set about prepping that land to recieve the first crop as soon as the seasons permit - Set up an Agro Company to handle growing the crops


whoa whoa, sounds commie to me - you sure you want to create planting zones? why dont we just divvy up the land and let people do what they want with it?

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And I'll be taking bets on how long it'd take for Liberty Island to degenerate into civil war.

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I would say it would never degenrate into a civil war, given that David Floyd would kill everybody, being the only one with machine guns

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hey guys...cut me a little slack, will ya? As of about eight PM this evening I had no idea I'd be doing any of this stuff....so yeah, it's a bit rough, cos I'm whipping it up as I go. Heck if I ever planned on, or counted on organizing this party....LOL

So consider this a work in progress (and I'll mark it as such until it's in better shape)

To answer your question, LoA...we've got a couple compelling reasons to keep things centralized in the immediacy...first and foremost there's the matter of infrastructure. If the basics are not in place, then the engine of capitalism just plain won't turn over and she'll stall out before she even gets off the ground.

Rest assured, we'll absolutely minimize the time required to set up the market system, but until that infrastructure is in place, survival over market seems the most prudent course.

Aside from that, we're fleeing FROM Kiditopia, remember? That means they'll be watching us like hawks, ready to pounce at a moment's notice...we do anything too provocative, and our goose is cooked.

Small moves. One step at a time.

-=Vel=-

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yeah, but im the only one with an F-16.

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yeah, but im the only one with an F-16.

Ah. I didn't remember you brought weapons too. Must be a libertarian thing

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you know how paranoid some of us can be

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Rest assured, we'll absolutely minimize the time required to set up the market system, but until that infrastructure is in place, survival over market seems the most prudent course.

Aside from that, we're fleeing FROM Kiditopia, remember? That means they'll be watching us like hawks, ready to pounce at a moment's notice...we do anything too provocative, and our goose is cooked.



This is how Lenin justified the suppression of dissent in the Soviet Union. Are you really going to accept that creeping communism from an obvious comsymp, LoA?

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This is how Lenin justified the suppression of dissent in the Soviet Union. Are you really going to accept that creeping communism from an obvious comsymp, LoA?


haha, the kid who eggs everyone into a fight for their own benefit.

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The difference, Ramo, is that I am fully aware that there are many "red eyes" trained on me.

In that respect, this virtual experiment bears a great deal of similarity to the situation that the USofA's founding fathers found themselves in.

Knowing full well that they were part of what then was a grand, and untested experiment, kept most of them on their very best behavior (Aaron Burr being the exception). Likewise, under these conditions, I'm about the *last* guy you have to worry about.

My goal is to create what we just lost when Kiditopia was founded. Had I wanted more of the same, I would have simply stayed behind.

-=Vel=-

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speaking of which....the goals doc has just been updated, both to reflect its prototype status and to add a few more posts to it that occurred to me while I was afk.

Liberty inhabitants...this cannot and must not be done in a vaccuum. If this plan is to work, then we have to get everybody on board with it....so comment, question, and generally raise hell about any aspect you find unsettling.

If I've forgotten anything, help me fill in the blanks.

I don't know every damned thing...not by a longshot, and if it's gonna work, then we gotta make it work together.

'k?

-=Vel=-

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Journal Entry - Day one of the Great Escape

Big Kahuna Nominee Velociryx reporting:

Wow...got nominated for the big post. A pleasant surprise to me...had not expected such an honor. DoublePlusCool!

As for myself, I nominated the Noble and Wise Flubber...although he's the only lawyer we got, and if elected, I don't know what the hell we'll do as far as a judiciary goes. Ah well, worry about that later.

As expected, the reds and their supporters sat just offshore of liberty island and started in with the heckling. Kidicious Prime's laughter could be heard all across the island over the loudspeakers of the ships that make up KidFleet 1....not sure if that means we're doomed or he's amused, but so far, he has kept his word and allowed us to go free.

We shall see if that holds.

So far, we're just trying to get ourselves organized.

Figure out what we have to work with, how to organize ourselves...all that jazz.

I gotta admit that when I came home from work today, this was NOT what I expected to be doing...LOL...funny how life bites you in the arse sometimes.

Nonetheless....that's the situation, so it's time to stop dallying in the ol' journal, get off my arse, roll up my sleeves, and get back to work.

-=Vel=-
(wishing I'd spent more time studying in class and less time drinkin' and chasing women...much more fun, but not so useful in terms of setting up a system from scratch)

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In that respect, this virtual experiment bears a great deal of similarity to the situation that the USofA's founding fathers found themselves in.

Knowing full well that they were part of what then was a grand, and untested experiment, kept most of them on their very best behavior (Aaron Burr being the exception). Likewise, under these conditions, I'm about the *last* guy you have to worry about.

My goal is to create what we just lost when Kiditopia was founded. Had I wanted more of the same, I would have simply stayed behind.


Using the US analogy, you could be Alexander Hamilton, a monarchist plutocrat, ultimately pissed off that you're left out of the power hierarchy.

You evil comsymp.

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haha, the kid who eggs everyone into a fight for their own benefit.


Not really for my benefit, as much as for my amusement.

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watch and see...at this point, your guess is as good as mine how the story will unfold...you heckler...

-=Vel=-

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* Velociryx thinks out loud:

Questions that need answers/immediate tending to

What to do, and in what order:

1) Food - initial goal = nobody goes hungry
a) Short term goal = surplusses generated (salted and dried fish, etc)--need storage facilities (with surplusses generated, we can spend increasingly less time worrying about having sufficient food, and more time worrying about getting up and running good) - this has gotta be the initial overriding priority
b) Short-Term goal = planting our own crops (will require additional storage facilities) (land management - fertilization) - get the folks over in fishing to donate their fish guts and such as fertilizer for the crops.

2) Water - Initial Goal = Find and identify water supply sources
a) need to create urns and other storage devices for basic water supplies
b) need to work on a basic irrigation system to go hand in hand with our crops
c) determine if any of our sources of water can be used to aid in electrical generation (longer term, but the assessment can begin immediately)
d) begin making plans for needed channels and such to redirect the water to where we need it.

3) Quartermaster's office/provisional government's HQ - necessary to track what supplies we've got, in order to make best use of them - no replacements available!
a) the goal here should be to use our basic supplies to provide all the essentials needed for our survival and to build what infrastructure and machinery we can in order to fashion better/more tools for when these wear out.

4) Medical Facility established

5) Basic housing - gentle climate, we can get by without this for the immediacy, but it's still high on the list and needs to be addressed. Build bale-constructed huts initially, if materials are on-hand (easy to tear down when we begin to dole out land grants and such) - temporary in nature!

6) Judiciary established. Justice of the peace/Constabulary needed to maintain local order and settle disputes as they arise

7) Need to determine what level of contact we are to be
permitted with Kiditopia. If contact with party elites is to be allowed, then the establishment of a facility to recieve them is in order (casino? invite them to poker games with DF...maybe win a few supplies if we find ourselves lacking)

8) Library established
a) using what laptops we bring, Q can gather these together, along with cd's filled with scanned copies of books we manage to make before we're cast off
b) Q assists our division heads with research on all the stuff we need to know to make this thing fly

9) Electricity
a) how to generate
b) what's needed to make the juice generated power our computers after the last battery dies?
c) Machine shop needs juice...aside from the machine shop and the library, everybody else's needs must wait until we are more firmly established (possible not to the medical facility)

Must sleep now....

-=Vel=-

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please guys, lets not all get attached to our computers - i say bring one or two but thats it. animals spend 80% of their time looking for food, and/or shelter. thats what we should be concentrate on first (as vel correctly put) everything else is gravy.

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I hope Kid will not reply to this thread.


No. I'll just watch. Actually it's an interesting thread.

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Just one question. Who will dig the ditches? And please don't tell me that you will all share that job.

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Kid, we do require a bit of input, if you'd care to give it....


specifically, can you tell us how much we'd be allowed to take with us when we leave? and how much contact might be permitted with Kiditopia? (if any)

-=Vel=-

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we just might - but no one will be forced to.

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I will.

I will be our designated pack mule and ditch digger.

At 6'6" tall, 265lbs, I make an excellent pack animal...

-=Vel=-

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Kid...we need a judge's ruling here:

If allowed to leave, how much stuff can we bring with us? Am I right in assuming only what we can carry?

-=Vel=-



Hmmm.. You should know the answer to that by now. No Tools.

 
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