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you know, we can just call this giligan's Island
I will be the professor
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Velociryx
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
time: 05:35
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3000 Wats from a spiffy windmill! ME LIKEY! Man, that definitely goes on the wishlist...220v, to boot! Q, if we get it, I think we found the power supply for the Liberty Island Library!
And along those same lines, in the absense of an abundance of metals, I'm thinking we're pretty much gonna have to "go green" as it were...very eco friendly, making creative use of indigenous materials whenever possible.
Sources of Power:
Hydrothermal? (not sure how to harness)
Tidal
Solar
Wind (it'd be great if we could start constructing functional windmills capable of generating even nominal amounts of juice from purely native materials)
coconut oil (fuel)
steam (water is one thing we got plenty of, and we can build a fire easily enough)
Augmentation of fresh water:
wooden gutters leading to cisterns, using rock, coral, and sand filtration methods (gutters can be built on all 2nd gen and later homes constructed, leading to private cisterns to help with individual water supply)
Augmentation of food stores:
terraced farms, rooftop farms on 2nd gen and beyond homes...gotta make creative use of all available space
more later...must get meds...
-=Vel=-
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GePap
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Nov 2001
time: 23:35
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quote:
Originally posted by Velociryx
* Velociryx thinks out loud:
Questions that need answers/immediate tending to
What to do, and in what order:
1) Food - initial goal = nobody goes hungry
a) Short term goal = surplusses generated (salted and dried fish, etc)--need storage facilities (with surplusses generated, we can spend increasingly less time worrying about having sufficient food, and more time worrying about getting up and running good) - this has gotta be the initial overriding priority
b) Short-Term goal = planting our own crops (will require additional storage facilities) (land management - fertilization) - get the folks over in fishing to donate their fish guts and such as fertilizer for the crops.
2) Water - Initial Goal = Find and identify water supply sources
a) need to create urns and other storage devices for basic water supplies
b) need to work on a basic irrigation system to go hand in hand with our crops
c) determine if any of our sources of water can be used to aid in electrical generation (longer term, but the assessment can begin immediately)
d) begin making plans for needed channels and such to redirect the water to where we need it.
3) Quartermaster's office/provisional government's HQ - necessary to track what supplies we've got, in order to make best use of them - no replacements available!
a) the goal here should be to use our basic supplies to provide all the essentials needed for our survival and to build what infrastructure and machinery we can in order to fashion better/more tools for when these wear out.
4) Medical Facility established
5) Basic housing - gentle climate, we can get by without this for the immediacy, but it's still high on the list and needs to be addressed. Build bale-constructed huts initially, if materials are on-hand (easy to tear down when we begin to dole out land grants and such) - temporary in nature!
6) Judiciary established. Justice of the peace/Constabulary needed to maintain local order and settle disputes as they arise
7) Need to determine what level of contact we are to be
permitted with Kiditopia. If contact with party elites is to be allowed, then the establishment of a facility to recieve them is in order (casino? invite them to poker games with DF...maybe win a few supplies if we find ourselves lacking)
8) Library established
a) using what laptops we bring, Q can gather these together, along with cd's filled with scanned copies of books we manage to make before we're cast off
b) Q assists our division heads with research on all the stuff we need to know to make this thing fly
9) Electricity
a) how to generate
b) what's needed to make the juice generated power our computers after the last battery dies?
c) Machine shop needs juice...aside from the machine shop and the library, everybody else's needs must wait until we are more firmly established (possible not to the medical facility)
Must sleep now....
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Oh, goody:
CENTRAL PLANNING
Halo Comrade
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Jon Miller
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yah, that is the reason I think I might come along
will be much more communist than Kid's regime
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:35
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quote:
Originally posted by Solomwi
Hmmm, perhaps GePap and Kid are right, and, at least to get off the ground, we need to borrow a little more than just central planning and communal living from their side. Therefore, I propose we slaughter Kid in his sleep and confiscate the tools we'll need to build our society, as well as the weapons we'll need in the unlikely event anybody actually misses Kidicious Prime. |
Sorry, but if you guysd are trully going to have a liberterian society (and with DF abord, how could you not), there in fact can't be ANY mandatory planning meetings at all. If people want electricity, they will more than damned well make their own, thank you very much....
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Velociryx
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
time: 05:35
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GePap, you're slow on the draw! That was already mentioned two pages ago...where you been, man?
And yes...it is sad but true, a capitalist system just does not spring up from the ground, fully formed.
We are not magicians, in the regard, I am afraid to admit.
Because we are not, and because survival is the first order of business (which is, I am sure you will know, a pre-requisite quite necessary for building the infrastructure needed to *support* the capitalist society we envision), the best way to ensure that immediate survival goal is to all pull together.
Does that mean we are communists?
Hardly.
It means that until the immediate crisis is resolved and our survival is ensured, we have democratically agreed to pull together and get it built, with the expressed goal of capitalism being the end.
Aside from that, sitting down and trying to figure out what to do and in what order of importance does not "central planning" make.
I make lists around the house all the time.
Every business owner I've ever dealt with does likewise.
It helps to prioritize.
If we are to be left without tools, then I'm brining a short wave radio.
DF, get on the bands and scare up some black marketeers. The first thing we'll do is build a home made still and make some bananna and coconut rum...barter it for the tools we need. Between that and poker, we'll be able to bootstrap the tools necessary.
We'll bring some of those windmills, too, although we will not be able to assemble them without the tools, so in the early days, it'll be slow goings.
Basic farming implements, we can fashion ourselves, so this will not stop us from getting crops in the ground, although our irrigation system will be quite primitive for the first season.
And if we're allowed to bring anything BUT tools, and are not limited to what we can carry, then we'll bring sufficient materials to construct one geodesic dome, twenty feet in diameter, for each family, plus half a dozen extras to serve as warehouses and storage facilities. These can be assembled by hand, with no tools required, which means that we can get basic shelter up and running, and all administrative buildings put together (even taking time out to teach folks how to build them) in a week.
Thus, if my only limit is no tools, Kid, you've actually made my job a fair bit easier....thanks!
-=Vel=-
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:35
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quote:
And yes...it is sad but true, a capitalist system just does not spring up from the ground, fully formed.
We are not magicians, in the regard, I am afraid to admit.
Because we are not, and because survival is the first order of business (which is, I am sure you will know, a pre-requisite quite necessary for building the infrastructure needed to *support* the capitalist society we envision), the best way to ensure that immediate survival goal is to all pull together.
Does that mean we are communists?
Hardly.
It means that until the immediate crisis is resolved and our survival is ensured, we have democratically agreed to pull together and get it built, with the expressed goal of capitalism being the end. |
The problem Vel, is that the crisis never ends. The clique in power will shift the goals to ensure its grip of power...the problems that have doomed almost all revolutionary systems have kicked in already.
I forsee the first violent revolt soon after, and several decades of bloodshed, which will give Kid the time to gather his counter-counterrevolutionary forces to crush your counterrevolutionary ways.
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Velociryx
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
time: 05:35
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Is that right now?
This particular crisis has specific, namable points, at which time, it ends.
* Solving the food problem (one crop, maybe two to get a surplus built up), plus working to increase our catch.
* Building the basic infrastructure needed to support the capitalist system (already outlined in very rough form)
and that's it.
Once those two things are done, we're moving on to bigger and better things.
Aside from that, I have absolutely ZERO interest in government. I despise politicians.
The quicker I get it done, the quicker we can turn on the capitalist engine and I can go the hell home...retire to my little dome, start a business, catch some fish, sleep in my vine-crafted hammock, and enjoy the lifestyle.
THAT is the goal. I want it just as much as everybody else here.
-=Vel=-
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24-08-2004 09:04
UGH....so going back to bed after making a post.
That's fictional character Kidicious Prime.
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