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1950 - I build a logging camp. People need jobs and any idiot can cut down trees.

1951 - I build a pub which will provide both work and profit. Glory be to free enterprise!!! The population of Tropico is increasing, as foreigners flock to our land of opportunity!!!

1952 - A hurricane strikes the island, but only destroys a few peasant shacks. The military faction is grumbling and threatening a coup. I don't know why, they are the best paid workers on the island, and are being paid the market price.

1953 - There are now enough working citizens to justify building a tenement. It's a rat infested hovel, but people flock to it and at $2 a month, the building is (just) profitable. The elderly and unemployed are still living in shacks, but they are just exercising their freedom to do so. I build a diplomatic ministry and issue an edict praising the United States, the bastion of world freedom!!!!

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1954 -The religious faction on the island are complaining that there is no church and are demanding that one be built. What a pack of ****ing spongers, trying to leech off of the government. I note that every Tropican is free to practice any religion they like - be it Catholicism, Buddhism or Satanism. I announce my "religious reform agenda" - from this day forward, the government commits itself to allowing people to pay for their own churches.

The military threaten a coup again. I tell myself that this is a blip and raise their wages 50%, even though they haven't done anything to earn it. They will soon change their tune when the magic of the market makes everyone rich!!!

1955 - I build another logging camp. The economy is expanding. The communists start whining about the lack of housing on Tropico. I reply that if people can pay for it, I will build more. I check on my tenement and discover that it is bleeding money. The horror!!! I raise the rent 100%. Half the people leave, but the few rich people don't mind and it starts making a small profit again.

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1956. I build some more farms. Diversification will help exports. I build a bank, because I believe in capitalism. I praise the United States again and diplomatic relations with them soar!!! I now have $25,000 to invest in new money making ventures!!!

Crime seems to have gone up, but people should realize that crime is a matter of personal responsibility and stop committing them. I refuse to build a police station, stating that nothing is preventing citizens from employing their own police or guarding their own shacks. Some citizens have taken to the woods and armed themselves. The rebels have destroyed property. The government refuses to be coerced into giving handouts to lazy scum and the army are dispatched to deal with the guerillas. I tell the people that foreigners who hate our freedoms are trying to meddle in the island's affairs.

Then the intellectuals start complaining. The pointy headed bastards are complaining that we don't have a school. They can start their own school, there's no law against it. How dare these leeches try to get everyone else to pay for their children's education!!!!

1957 - The worthless snobby intellectuals are complaining again. This time they are complaining that there is no liberty on Tropico. I retort that the government prevents citizens from doing nothing consensual and does not steal their money through taxation, nor tell them what to do. What more could they possibly want!?! I agree to build a TV station, since the market has not yet provided one. I aim to privatize it asap.

The population passes 100. This shows that we are on the right track. However, the rebel attacks increase. I resolve to build an army post.

1958 - It is time to build a power station to power the TV station and new industries. I build that and a lumber mill. There are too many unemployed people on the island, which is a sign that wages are set too high. I cut the minimum wage. People complain, but it is for their own good, as the economy will surge.

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1959 - I build the TV station. I can have it broadcast for free state propaganda or the BBC, but that makes no money and it must pay for itself. I choose to broadcast old Yanqui sitcoms, since foreigners are willing to pay for it in order to advertise. The intellectuals complain, but I retort that the market does not subsidize their elitist garbage and that they'll have to settle for Who's the Boss?

A small group of enterprising citizens start a Tony Danza fan club.

A hurricane strikes the island, doing no damage.

It is time for the election. I look forward to seeing how much the people appreciate the liberty they have been granted. Surely no people have ever been so free!! But I am losing in the polls. I refuse to spend money bribing the electorate and trust in supply side economics to bail me out.

1960 - I lose the election and am thrown off the island in a boat with no oars. I guess we can all blame those disgraceful communists and their sponging ways. Those sharks look hungry....



I guess the game was written by a bunch of pinkos. This would never happen in the real world.

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LoA - The beauty of the domes is that they can be assembled by hand, no tools, no single part (save for the compost toilet) weighs more than five pounds, the bigger they get, the stronger they get, and the outer skin can be covered over with photovoltaic material to provide enough energy to power the interior's low-wattage lights.

Thus, they are the perfect building for a shake and bake operation...

-=Vel=-

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but heres the problem - its the govt who is building pubs, logging camps etc - not the entrepreneurs.

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ah, i didnt know they were that easy to build. and i supposed we stole the material from kidatopia?

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Cute, Ag...will get the game and run my own experiments...

-=Vel=-

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LoA: Nope...he said no tools....well, no tools required to set these babies up...so, when I sell my truck on the black market and take all my fundage out of the bank, I'll invest heavily in those spiffy windmills and geodesics to get us going...

-=Vel=-

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and are you selling them or giving them away?

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but heres the problem - its the govt who is building pubs, logging camps etc - not the entrepreneurs.


But they are profitable, and the offcuts from logging can be used by people to build their shacks.

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Neither.

I'm keeping them and renting them out until we get on our feet. Rent = 0.

Once a better option becomes available, they'll serve as governmental buildings. Easy to put up, easy to take down and relocate.

Too valuable though, to be used as warehouses.

-=Vel=-

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Rent = 0? Commie.

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Rent = 0? Commie.


Yeah, my game showed that people are happy to pay through the nose for low quality stuff.

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you'd love to think so....nope. Altruism. I intend to make the island work, and am willing to make sacrifices to see that it happens. Help to create a situation where everyone succeeds, and I succede by default.

Eventually, they'll be long-term leased to the government, or to private individuals who prefer them over indigenous housing solutions.

-=Vel=-

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and are you selling them or giving them away?


Like a good capitalist he is renting them out-- Vel and Flubber make a long term deal where the Flubber family get long term usage and I think Vel is allowing others to sleep in them as part of a "free promotion"-- People love these things and he hopes to arrange long term rentals-- again on the barter system

Or conversely, perhaps he plans to offer free accomodations to people that perform work in some of Velco's enterprises.

Heck he can even give them to the "government" in lieu of taxes if a suitable valuation can be agreed

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indigenous housing solutions.


You even have the capitalist lingo right. Normal people call them "shacks".

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Altruism? Sacrifice? Commie.

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What a pack of frauds.

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Right on, Master Flubber.

Everybody sleeps free at the outset. After all, labor is required to assemble them, and everyone is participating in that. Consider that the "Free Promotion" that Flubber mentioned. During the transitionary phase, while we're still getting ourselves sorted out, everybody has a place to stay.

This is not dissimilar to what I would have done had I been the hotel owners who forced people fleeing from the recent Florida Hurricane. Rather than upping the rates, as they did, I would foster tremendous goodwill on the island, by allowing everybody a comfortable place to stay.

And I am getting "paid" as it were...the compost toilets are collecting rent...and I intend to sell fertilizer to the agro companies...

As time goes by, and people begin to specialize toward one or other activity on the island, we can negotiate rents, or, said people can make their own indigenous housing.

Meanwhile, once those windmills are in operation, I'm gonna lease 'em to LoA if he's interested in establishing the Liberty Power Company. That'll start him off with 9k watts of 120ACV power, to be augmented by whatever native sources he can get up and running as time goes by.

-=Vel=-

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Yep...little shacks.

Here's one of the little shacks I'll start offering to build, if nobody beats me to the punch...

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What's the matter guys? The People's Housing Authority starting to not look so good?

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Have y'all seen a show called "Colonial House" on PBS? It's where a bunch of people and their families try to build a self-sustaining 17th century English colony on the East coast (with some initial supplies that a trading company is lending them for goods they will produce). It's pretty neat.

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I think I saw its precursor, Ramo...VERY cool show...(remembering one episode where the daughter of one of the families "cooked dinner" one night and used an entire month's supply of butter...OUCH!

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EDIT: The precursor show was filmed in Montana and was set a bit later, historically...same principle tho.

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Frauds? I think not.

Of course, I can understand the jealousy. While your standing in the People's Bread Line waiting for the party bosses of Kidatopia to tell you how much bread is "fair" for you this week, we'll be kicking back in paradise.

Rent you a cottage if you'd like to come tho....

-=Vel=-

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Who needs bread, when we can eat babies?

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LOL...I thought that was John Kerry's job?



-=Vel=-
(see the latest in the long line of Kerry threads for the reference)

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Nah, he only rapes babies.

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Ohhhhh....well then....I guess that'd be akin to seasoning for later?

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(okay, I just grossed myself out...new subject...PLEASE! LOL)

 
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