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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:33
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Originally posted by Patroklos
No (well maybe a little), but what it does do is make you owe me your life, liberty, and freedom. I don't need your respect  |
Oh yes, there you are protecting me from that evil AQ navy! Please....
You know, folks in Costa Rica live in peace and liberty- they don;t even have a military. They also don;t have enemies. So lets just say- you are both part of the porblem, and the solution, and hence, I deserve to blame you as much as thank you, so in the end, you average out to 0.
But that is just a fine score for you.
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Patroklos
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Back home in good ole Norfolk VA
Dec 2001
time: 05:33
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In that sense, while I can respect them, they hold no higher position to the state and in the state than any other citizen. In most states in fact any citizen can be expected to join. Here in the US we made military service voluntary because it creates a self-selecting pool that in the end performs better. But the state will always have a military one way or another. It is simply a part of living in the modern era. So in the end, I owe as much to my fellow taxpaying citizen as I do to anyone else, since it is the taxpayers that support the state that creates a military to enforce it's policy. |
Just a little inferiority complex on your part.
Now you might make sence if you were willing to serve if needed, but you probobly aren't. So it is not an equal disparity between us, I am willing to do more for the state and thus its citizens, while you want to do nothing but use the benefits given you by living here to benefit yourself. I do too, but my work also benefits you, the private citizen. For this reason all civil servants, not just military members, are morally above the private citizen. Which is all intangable because we foolishly give sufferage away to everyone for free, making it by definition worthless.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:33
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Originally posted by Patroklos
Just a little inferiority complex on your part.
Now you might make sence if you were willing to serve if needed, but you probobly aren't. So it is not an equal disparity between us, I am willing to do more for the state and thus its citizens, while you want to do nothing but use the benefits given you by living here to benefit yourself. I do too, but my work also benefits you, the private citizen. For this reason all civil servants, not just military members, are morally above the private citizen. Which is all intangable because we foolishly give sufferage away to everyone for free, making it by definition worthless. |
Well, one thing: I am a civil servant myself- I even do my jury duty GASP! (didn't Sun Tzu talk about knowing your enemy?)
But to move on: The idea of the United States of America is that all men are equal-heck, in fact before the only limist of voting were those of land ownership, not military service. I mean, look at our founders-how many were military men? One. The rest hardly ever served, if at all, and our second greatest military hero of that generation was a traitor. America was not founded upon amartial spirit-there was more than enough of that in the Monarchies we left (born out of a feudal system that worshiped the warrior)- it was founded out of the spirit of the merchant classes.
In fact, the militaristic attitude you embody is very new to the US, or even the world. This notion of making the veteran as reveared-when at the point were war was a contant, fighting men were seen in a terrible light.
I would make for a fine discussion to find when we begun to put all veterans on pedestals
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Patroklos
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Back home in good ole Norfolk VA
Dec 2001
time: 05:33
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You answered your own question, Washington. Unless you think he was a particularly good president?
But a better answer would probobly be post Civil War. And it started more with officers, but as our society changed the common soldier became the focus. I would say WWI gave us what we have now.
Last edited by Patroklos on 24-08-2004 at 19:29
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:33
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Originally posted by Patroklos
Nothing in there that says I have to like you. In fact, it shows how well I follow it by defending you anways.
Seriously, your like that Jepordy guy that is at negative 10,000, give it up.
And if you were right GePap, why would anyone, including Kerry, give a damn about military records. It seems your the minority opinion. |
Well, I don't care about military records for one. And if that makes me the minority, well good.
Thankfully I don't like you either, so we are even
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:33
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Originally posted by Patroklos
Yeah, they did G, but he also killed a few tens of thounsads of Iraqis a year. And of course none of that oil benefited anyone by Saddam. Your getting shaky man, really you need to get some help.
As for the Somali Navy, your right, apparently according to you Somalis can pull thousands of fire arms from thin air. |
And you know what? It isn;t you that keeps you from killing lost of Americans- its the make-up of our system that prevents that- a system, as I said, that never placed the military very high (after all, what do you think is the point of armed militias but to counterbalance the military?)
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You done thread jacking now? Grown ups here have a topic to discuss. |
What topic? A circlejerk around a bunch of unsubstantiated allegations, or feeling empathy for ex-POW's? wow, how important.
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