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The Mad Monk is offline The Mad Monk
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http://www.apolyton.com/forums/show...616#post3242616

Anyone see the new commercial?

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Paul Galanti, captured in 1966 after ejecting from his fighter jet about 100 miles south of Hanoi, said on the Sean Hannity radio show yesterday he first heard Kerry's testimony in late 1971 when it was broadcast by his North Vietnamese captors over the public address system in the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" prison.

The broadcast on Radio Vietnam by "Hanoi Hannah" was used to reinforce the message of his captors during torture sessions, said Galanti, 64, now retired in Richmond, Va.

"We were not prisoners of war, we were 'war criminals,' they would say. 'You are going to be tried, you will never go home.'"

Then came Hanoi Hannah introducing a clip from Kerry's testimony.

"I couldn't believe it, a Navy officer saying we were all war criminals, that we raped and pillaged the countryside like Genghis Khan," said Galanti.


Galanti, who flew 97 combat missions, said he had not suffered a flashback from the war until he recently heard a recording of the April 22, 1971, testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

His memory was triggered when he heard Kerry mispronouncing "Ghenghis Khan."

"Then I was back there again," he said.

Galanti said Kerry broke a covenant with his fellow servicemen, to never jeopardize their safety with public criticism. But he believes, moreover, the Massachusetts senator betrayed his country.

"John Kerry was a traitor," he said, adding the "definition of treason is giving aid and comfort to the enemy in the time of war."

As WorldNetDaily reported, Galanti appears in a new television ad by Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth, a group of 254 vets who served with Kerry and have signed a letter contending he is unfit to be commander in chief.

The 30-second spot intersperses comments from Galanti and another former POW, Ken Cordier, with Kerry's 1971 testimony.

Galanti says in the ad, "John Kerry gave the enemy for free what I and many of my comrades in North Vietnam, in the prison camps, took torture to avoid saying. ... It demoralized us."

Later, Galanti concludes the ad with, "He dishonored his country and, more importantly, the people he served with. He just sold them out."


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http://worldnetdaily.com/news/artic...RTICLE_ID=40114

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That it is in a commercial makes me think that the US is a mere plutocracy, even more than before.

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What is part four, "John Kerry, the baby eater"?

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Don't say that where a 527 might hear. You'll give them ideas...

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What is part four, "John Kerry, the baby eater"?

That's part five. Part four is "John Kerry, the baby rapist". There are still a few monthes to go, so they shouldn't eat up their ammo too quickly

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BTW, could a nice person write an ignorant German a line why these things are called 527s? When I heard it first on tv I needed quite a while to find out what they were talking about....

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I'm not sure, but I suppose it is an 'independent' group that pays for ads to discredit an opposed political figure.

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BTW, could a nice person write an ignorant German a line why these things are called 527s? When I heard it first on tv I needed quite a while to find out what they were talking about....


From the line in the tax code which pertains to them, apparently.

I wouldn't know that except for the fact that every time 527s are mentioned they explain where the name comes from. I've heard the phrase "so-called 527s (named after a line in the tax code)..." upwards of a hundred times so far.

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Tired of ads?

The news industry is based off cut-and-paste, I'm pretty sure. ...

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Ah, thanks for that info

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In my humble opinion, any party, how detached they might be from these "independents", which... condones such mudslinging, should be barred from politics. This just contradicts everything I consider even.... basic decency.

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I wonder when they are going to mention that Kerry flew to Paris to meet with the North Vietnamese. He is enshrined in their Hall of Fame as a person who help the North win the war.

Traitor.

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And Kerry was so decent in betraying his fellow men. But we don't want to mention that do we?

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I never liked him.

This "new" information again makes me realise just how much people must hate the President in order for them to support Kerry with such fervour.

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Here is a 1973 photo of Galanti. Of course the Kerry campaign will begin their smear campaign against him next. He must be a liar like all the rest of the Vietnam Veterans who do not support Kerry -- yeah, that's it, he's a liar... Or maybe this is a forged photo and the man is an imposter... No, Bush must have put him up to it...

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I buy nothing of the bullshit any political entity says, be it rep, dem or com. Be they "independent" or not...

But anybody should be better than Bush... Atleast now. Ask people in 5 years, what they thought of the Kerry presidency.

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You mean the nonexistant one that will never be?

And of course very few of Kerry's veteran detractors have even identified themselves as a party memeber. Care to guess how many are democrats?

If Kerry had simple told the truth I would respect him, not vote for him, but respect him. There is absolutly nothing wrong with an unremarkable swift boat career in the Delta without any medals. The fact is he put went over there and was in combat, risking his life for his ideals.

However, bieng the unscupulous publicity hound he is, he is a proven liar who basically ivalidated everything he did by bieng dishonorable. Three PHs in four months, that right there is so absurd it amazes me that any of you can pretend to defend him. Then there is Cambodia, then there is this new POW thing (which is unsolicited by anyone, but I guess because it is anti-Kerry he must be part of the conspiracy).

The veteran tally against Kerry is something like 10/1. And in the anti-Kerry camp are his peers who served with him, which would be the most telling assesment.

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I never liked him.

This "new" information again makes me realise just how much people must hate the President in order for them to support Kerry with such fervour.


Sad isn't it.

Anybody but Kerry.

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then there is this new POW thing (which is unsolicited by anyone, but I guess because it is anti-Kerry he must be part of the conspiracy).

Wait, are you serious? Somebody pays very significant money to broadcast an ad villifying Kerry. A whole organization has been created with the only aim of villifying Kerry (notice that even in the ad depicted in the article, the vet doesn't even try to deny Kerry's claims of war crimes, nor does he try to restore his honor)

The timing is chosen right now, when the whole campaign revolves around Kerry's military record. And you think that with all that money, with such good timing, and with such impact in the campaign, this is "unsolicited by anyone"?

Gee, the more I look at the reactions of Republicans in this campaign, the more I get a live example of what my textbooks called "party identification". "Party fanaticism" would be more like it actually.

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Anybody but Kerry.

I didn't expect you to be that easily manipulated, Og.

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Let's try an exercise and substitue a few words in the following passage:


"Wait, are you serious? Somebody pays very significant money to broadcast an ad villifying Bush. A whole organization (via Soros named Moveon.org)has been created with the only aim of villifying Bush.

The timing is chosen right now, when the whole campaign revolves around Bush's military record. And you think that with all that money, with such good timing, and with such impact in the campaign, this is "unsolicited by anyone"?

Gee, the more I look at the reactions of Democrats in this campaign, the more I get a live example of what my textbooks called "party identification". "Party fanaticism" would be more like it actually."

Yes I realize it is along the lines of "they started it" , but in reality they did.

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I didn't expect you to be that easily manipulated, Og.


I despised Kerry long before the ads came out.

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Ogie:

Duh.

MoveOn.org is an organization with an agenda. When they broadcast their ads villifying Bush, of course it's solicited. Of course it's organized with the Kerry's campaigners.

I haven't seen any Dem saying that Soros' ads were "unsolicited by anybody", but then again, I don't read the Kerry threads too often. If a Dem really believed the Soros campaigns do not belong to the "conspiracy" (i.e Kerry's campaign plan), I would consider him severely delusioned, just like Patrokolos was in the quote I responded to.

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I despised Kerry long before the ads came out.

Good

I thought you were one of those libs who thought Kerry was the lesser of the two evils. My mistake.

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What about Fahrenheit 9/11 by Michael Moore. It's a full length movie timed to hurt Bush's re-election chances... Isn't that worse than just an Ad? And while they didn't fund the movie, they did feature Moore at their Convention... So if you are going to whine about the ads... at least whine at both sides

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Wait, are you serious? Somebody pays very significant money to broadcast an ad villifying Kerry. A whole organization has been created with the only aim of villifying Kerry (notice that even in the ad depicted in the article, the vet doesn't even try to deny Kerry's claims of war crimes, nor does he try to restore his honor)

The timing is chosen right now, when the whole campaign revolves around Kerry's military record. And you think that with all that money, with such good timing, and with such impact in the campaign, this is "unsolicited by anyone"?

Gee, the more I look at the reactions of Republicans in this campaign, the more I get a live example of what my textbooks called "party identification". "Party fanaticism" would be more like it actually.


Perhaps in France you know all the political figures in your government, but here a citizen of CA could care less about an Mass Senator. Probobly didn't even know he was in politics untill be became national a year ago. I. E. no need to point put the failings of a non entity.

And did the fighter pilot or swifties pay for these adds? They simply told the right people the stories, and of course it would the anti-Kerry team, and someone sponsored them. If this confounds you, well you are a communist so open politics would. Perhaps the Kerry team would have enlighted us out of a sense of far play?

And Kerry revolved his own campaign around his military record, which is FALSE. Talk about party idenfication, you are the poster child.

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notice that even in the ad depicted in the article, the vet doesn't even try to deny Kerry's claims of war crimes, nor does he try to restore his honor


HAHAHAHAH

Thats a good one Spiffor, that claim from Kerry doesn't even warrent the dignity of a respose. Kerry himself has bent over backwards to erase the memory of his claims of "war criminals" from the public eye. NOBODY, except maybe disgruntled Apolytoner's (which the best indication of nobody in the real world) considisders Vietnam Vets war criminals. Classic Spiffor, Classic.

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Suffering from ads?

F911 apparently sucks.

I didn't go there, as I don't want to pay to see propaganda, but all my friends who watched it told me it explained nothing but Bush's evil.

In France we had an acclaimed documentary made for years by an investigation journalist. Nothing nice with Bush at all, but it was backed by facts, and by many testimonies from Bushie officials. When the pieces were put together, the picture was terribly scary (exaggeratingly so, IMHO).

Yet the documentary was solid, and it was seen by pretty much every Frenchman that would be interested in the later-released F911. The difference of quality between the two made a bad press for Moore.



And I'm not *****ing about 527s or whatever it is called (despite disliking them). I'm *****ing about Patrokolos believing it's not organized in Bush's campaign

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Spiffor, I didn't say Bush didn't pay for the adds, but that the vets volunteered their stories to his campaign of their own accord. You take a lot of liberties when you get excited.

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Good

I thought you were one of those libs who thought Kerry was the lesser of the two evils. My mistake.


In reality my anybody but Kerry line was a not so subtle jab of the rallying cry of the Dems. It is a very sad state of affairs in US politics when the general feeling is that 80% of the public is merely voting against candidates.

I find the past two elections especially troublesome. I wasn't particularly pleased with either of the candidates in 2000 and ultimately went with a lesser of two evils decision. For 2004 it appears as if both candidates have uppped the suck quotient.

 
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