26-08-2004 06:02									#61
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no one claimed responsiblity for 9/11. and iirc bin Ladin said he was not responsible (initially way back before the attack on Afghanistan)

	26-08-2004 07:41									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove What would be the point of carrying out an act of terrorism and not telling anyone about it?

Perhaps because they planned to use the planes for 9/11 kind of attack but failed?

	26-08-2004 07:44									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 My, my, aren't we all just a little down on the Russians? Has Serb shown up yet?

Here I am. How is your blood pressure? Do you feel sick already?

	26-08-2004 08:30									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha they took off within 3 minutes of each other. Never have 2 such planes crashed.

Actually, they crashed within 3 minutes of each other. From what I read, they took off fourty minutes apart.

I'm guessing it was probably terrorism, but even if it isn't, the causes of the crashes are almost undoubtably connected somehow.

	26-08-2004 08:47									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Perhaps because they planned to use the planes for 9/11 kind of attack but failed?

I must admit that was my first thought as well.

quote: Originally posted by Serb Here I am. How is your blood pressure? Do you feel sick already?

I'm feeling fine, thank-you. A little Serb every now and then helps keep me regular.

	27-08-2004 12:49									#66
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It looks like it was a terrorist act after all. This is what I just read on Russian news sites. (This is not official. Reporters got this info from their "sources".)

1. There was one Chechen female among passengers on each of the two flights.

2. Those two women have been the only passengers whose relatives didn't show up or even make a phone inquiry regarding their fate.

3. Whole bodies of all passangers have been recovered except for the bodies of those two women.

4. The debris of both planes appear on the ground in the following order: fuselage, cockpit, tail. The "normal" order should be: tail, fuselage, cockpit. This can only be explained by an explosion occurring in the tail section.

5. Traces of explosives have been discovered in the tail section of one of the planes (thus far).

Preliminary conclusion: two female Chechen suicide bombers (one in each plane). They blew themselves up while in the tail section (presumably in the toilet). The explosions were not too strong, so that the bodies of the other passengers were not disfigured, yet strong enough to bring the planes down.

	27-08-2004 13:05									#67
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Newsflash: "Islambouli Brigades" of Al Qaeda claimed responsibility. This just appeared on one of the islamist websites.

	27-08-2004 13:25									#68
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Haven't heard of that splinter group. What's their primary focus?

	27-08-2004 13:30									#69
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Blowing things up, it would seem.

	27-08-2004 13:38									#70
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I have not heard of this group either. Just seen its name on the news.

	27-08-2004 16:23									#71
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Sick ****s

	27-08-2004 18:10									#72
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And the FSB (Russian FBI) has officially confirmed one of the crashes as a terrorist act. Trails of the explosive hexogen have been found in wreckage of one of the plains.

So looks like it was a coordinated attack...

	27-08-2004 18:13									#73
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Well, already we have seen a much better response from Putin than we got from our own leadership. Good for them. Tough time, and a tragic attack, but their leadership is proving up to the task so far.

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(wish ours had)

	27-08-2004 18:16									#74
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You have quite an opinion of Putin, Vel! The Russian response is far from perfect, and the attitude is completely different too.

	27-08-2004 18:22									#75
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Nahhh...it isn't that I have a particularly high opinion of Putin...it's that I have absolutely NO regard for Shrub...

-=Vel=-

	27-08-2004 18:25									#76
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Good to see that human tragedy can still be used politically.

:vomits:

	27-08-2004 18:28									#77
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who's using it politically?

-=Vel=-

EDIT: I mean, besides the group responsible?

The similarities between this and another not-so-long-ago terract are inescapable.

People are gonna compare the two...and the responses.

-v

	27-08-2004 18:33									#78
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You managed to bring the US Presidential election into this, which I find absolutely disgusting, but perhaps not all that surprising.

Leave this thread for the topic of the airliners, shouldn't be too hard.

	27-08-2004 18:36									#79
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Putin is running for President of the US? That's....interesting. The comparison was between national leaders facing a similar tragedy...NOT one presidential hopeful vs. a president.

Your disgust is misplaced.

-=Vel=-

	27-08-2004 19:30									#80
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quote: Originally posted by The Vagabond It looks like it was a terrorist act after all. This is what I just read on Russian news sites. (This is not official. Reporters got this info from their "sources".) 1. There was one Chechen female among passengers on each of the two flights. 2. Those two women have been the only passengers whose relatives didn't show up or even make a phone inquiry regarding their fate. 3. Whole bodies of all passangers have been recovered except for the bodies of those two women. 4. The debris of both planes appear on the ground in the following order: fuselage, cockpit, tail. The "normal" order should be: tail, fuselage, cockpit. This can only be explained by an explosion occurring in the tail section. 5. Traces of explosives have been discovered in the tail section of one of the planes (thus far). Preliminary conclusion: two female Chechen suicide bombers (one in each plane). They blew themselves up while in the tail section (presumably in the toilet). The explosions were not too strong, so that the bodies of the other passengers were not disfigured, yet strong enough to bring the planes down.

uhh, where did they put the explosives?

up their vagina? They must have one big *****

	27-08-2004 20:09									#81
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Unless I just havne't been paying attention, I'm surprized by how little play this story has gotten in the US. You'd think this would be a major story.

	27-08-2004 20:19									#82
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I agree. Between the Olympics and the republican convention/election, there has been almost no news on this

	27-08-2004 20:31									#83
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We don't give much play to the Chechen war in general. Why should this little sideshow be different?

	27-08-2004 20:32									#84
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Primarily, I would think, because of the similarities between it and our own airline incident not long ago....

-=Vel=-

	27-08-2004 20:33									#85
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Or because no one cares ?

	27-08-2004 20:41									#86
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I care. I'm interested to see what the Russians conclude and what they decide to do about it. It goes without saying that the act is heinous and I'm sorry for the families/friends of the victims, but since I don't have any personal connection, it's the outcome/aftermath I'm mainly interested in.

-Arrian

	27-08-2004 20:43									#87
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc We don't give much play to the Chechen war in general. Why should this little sideshow be different?

Is this really true? I hate to think that americans think the russians deserve this terrorism because of this thing with the chechnyans.

That would be very hypocritical.

If we are going to play this bullshit war on terrorism thing, then we must support anti-terrorism efforts of other countries such as Russia. We should be concerned about this.

	27-08-2004 20:45									#88
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Indeed. Furthermore, we should be trying to help (to the extent that our intelligence people actually have anything useful to the Russians).

-Arrian

	27-08-2004 20:47									#89
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Agreed. I just hope America doesn't come out of this looking even more hypocritical than we already are.

	27-08-2004 20:48									#90
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Its not that Russians deserve it...its that the public looks at it as an inner conflict, which Americans almost never take a huge interest in (unless, of course, it involves Israel or Iraq). This "Islambouli Brigade" is also claiming that they had 5 people on each plane...highly doubtful. It was probably Chechen seperatists, who don't always take responsibility, and this group is just looking to take advantage of that. If it is found to be an international group, that's when American interest will kick in.