25-08-2004 03:25									#1
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quote: MOSCOW - Two Russian airliners carrying a total of more than 100 people crashed south of Moscow, the ITAR-Tass news agency reported Tuesday. There was no word on survivors. The first plane was carrying 54 passengers and a crew of eight when it crashed in the Tula region near the village of Buchalki, the agency said, citing a duty officer at the regional center for civil defense and emergencies. The Tula region is about 110 miles south of Moscow. The second plane was carrying 44 people when it crashed near Rostov, the agency said, citing an Inter-State Aviation Committee official. Rostov is about 600 miles south of Moscow. Both planes were Tupolev Tu-154 jets. The Tu-154 is the standard medium-range airliner on domestic flights in Russia, according to aviation Web sites. About 157 feet in length, it can carry up to 180 passengers for up to 2,500 miles.

Anybody have more info on this?

*somehow made curious by simultaneous airliner crashes, even without apparent targets...*

	25-08-2004 03:59									#2
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(CNN) -- Two planes have disappeared from radar nearly simultaneously in separate incidents in Russia Tuesday night, and one was confirmed to have crashed, the Russian Emergency Ministry said.

A passenger jet carrying 34 passengers and eight crew members in the Tula region crashed about 160 kilometers (100 miles) south of Moscow, the ministry said.

Witnesses reported seeing the plane explode before it crashed, the Russian news agency Interfax reported.

The second plane, carrying 44 passengers and eight crew members, went down about 160 kilometers (100 miles) from Rostov-on-Don, in southern Russia, government-run Ria Novosti reported.

A ministry spokeswoman said she could confirm only that the second plane had been lost to radar.

The first plane disappeared from radar at 10:56 p.m. (2:56 p.m. ET), the news agency said.

The Tupolev-134 had taken off from Moscow's Domodedovo Airport and was en route to Volgograd, in southern Russia.

The spokeswoman said the wreckage was located ablaze and that no one survived.

The second plane, a Tupolev-154, disappeared from radar at 10:59 p.m. (2:59 p.m. ET) after having taken off from the same airport en route to Sochi, a tourist resort on the Black Sea in southern Russia, the ministry spokeswoman reported.

The Tupolev-154 is a standard medium-range airliner on domestic flights in Russia, according to aviation websites.

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	25-08-2004 04:00									#3
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they took off within 3 minutes of each other. Never have 2 such planes crashed.

	25-08-2004 04:05									#4
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This is no coincidence.

	25-08-2004 04:06									#5
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All cable news channels are covering this story right now.

The second isn't confirmed down, however...but then again, that's probably grasping at straws (did I use that cliche correctly?)

	25-08-2004 04:09									#6
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CNN is saying that Pres. Putin may be vacationing in the area where the second plane went missing.

	25-08-2004 04:09									#7
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Never underestimate the effects of Vodka on already crappy maintenance

	25-08-2004 04:10									#8
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SOunds very unlikely to be a coincidence. Might be, but odds are it's not.

Kind of weird.

	25-08-2004 04:13									#10
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According to BBC:

quote: The second plane, said to be a Tu-154 flying from Moscow to the Black Sea resort of Sochi, vanished when it was expected to be 140 km (90 miles) from the southern city of Rostov-on-Don, the emergencies ministry said, according to the Interfax news agency. Russian President Vladimir Putin is currently on holiday in Sochi.

	25-08-2004 04:17									#11
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Chechnyans?

	25-08-2004 04:18									#12
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One would imagine...

	25-08-2004 04:20									#13
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nah, there was an important press editor on board,one who was getting a little too uppity and putin had him eliminated.

	25-08-2004 04:29									#14
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first thing I thought was terrorism. Anyone have any confirmation one way or another?

	25-08-2004 04:32									#15
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It's 3 in the morning in Russia. They're all passed out in a deep vodka sleep.

	25-08-2004 04:47									#16
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They found the second plane's wreckage.

	25-08-2004 04:52									#17
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Second plane's wreckage found indeed. Almost 4 in the morning in Moscow now.

Actually, what they found is not wreckage, just the suspected crash site - fire broke out there currently.

	25-08-2004 05:51									#20
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	25-08-2004 07:25									#21
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well that came out quick

	25-08-2004 07:32									#22
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Well, I knew it was going to come out eventually.

	25-08-2004 07:32									#23
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they need to spend more time on it though. and match up the head and body better.

	25-08-2004 07:34									#24
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we also need the WTC guy as well.

But since the airliner hit the ground (from what I've heard). The WTC should be on the ground with a russian airliner heading straight towards him.

I wish I could do graphics. I would like to be the first guy to distribute that picture. How do you distribute pictures like that quickly? Actually someone has probably done it by now, I just haven't seen it yet.

	25-08-2004 07:37									#25
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Actually, Putin declared a full investigation within minutes of hearing of the crashes.

Of course, to be fair, he was sleeping at the time, so it was easy to wake him up. W was entranced by "My Pet Goat".

	25-08-2004 07:40									#26
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What can I say, but...Fabulous!

-=Vel=-

	25-08-2004 07:45									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident they need to spend more time on it though. and match up the head and body better.

Well, I did it in Paint. So not even photoshop. And I didn't even really look for heads. And I just suck at graphics. I think I did really good considering my lack of skills.

	25-08-2004 07:49									#28
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Been reading more about it...one of the disadvantages of having been down sick all day...out of the loop news wise.

Tragic loss. Thankfully the loss of life seems to have been relatively minimal for passenger craft, but like Che and others, I think it far too much of a coincidence NOT to have been planned.

Anxiously awaiting further news, and all joking aside, props to Putin for the rapid response.

If only our leadership would emulate that.

-=Vel=-

	25-08-2004 08:24									#29
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I wish the Russians would pop a couple of tactical nukes and teach these types a lesson.

	25-08-2004 08:57									#30
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