20-09-2004 20:47									#61
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It is something for discussion. I would avoid putting doctors as long as possible. And here an alternative:
Make social choices:
Eco: 20
Psych: 50
Labs: 30
for this turn 2137.
In 2138 we will have enough to go Free Market, then adjust this social setting.
Doctors give no nutrients, and nutrients we need for growth. what do you think?

Maybe in addition:

Doctor:
+2 Psych

Worker (e.g. in forest)
+1 nut
+2 min
+1 EC

worker gives twice as much

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	21-09-2004 04:01									#62
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So, our research will be delayed for a turn or two extra, ain't it?

I'll check myself...

And sth else... are we going to make a bid for FM, or rather Planned?

The first may annoy the Gaians...

	21-09-2004 04:20									#63
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We would need to evaluate what is better Planned or FM?

	21-09-2004 05:27									#64
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Planned will increase our crawler output and growth... FM our research. The only faction who runs FM now are the Morgans.

Btw, just saw on Eventis that the Gaians are interested in knowing our past social settings. Ouro wants to know if (and when) we have run Planned before. I asked why they want that info.

And they have choosen Doc:Mob as new research project!!

	21-09-2004 06:17									#65
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(on Doc: Mob)

The social settings weren't part of the treaty

	21-09-2004 07:24									#66
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Yes. The social settings were not included. And I think we may go FM if we decide to in 2138.

We may sign a Social Treaty, if Gaians wish to do it. We may discuss it first here. I have to think about it.

Gaians:
Want: Green
Do not want: Free market

Data Angels:
Want: Democracy
Do not want: Power

We may be in loosing position here. At least in the beginning of the game.

	21-09-2004 07:34									#67
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True, but with as little as we have at the moment to go off of, diplomatically speaking they shouldn't mind. I mean, if they want to RP an AI reaction, wars aren't fought over SE choices for quite a while yet, AFIK.

	21-09-2004 16:52									#68
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So I take it the two of you are in favour of FM. Sounds decided then.

	22-09-2004 02:57									#69
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I choose to set the sliders at 20/30/50.

That way we have sufficient energy income for changing SE next turn, finish the research and quelling all drones except the one for Verres' Loft. That one can be quelled next turn by the rover next to it.
Nothing else to report I think.

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	22-09-2004 02:59									#70
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This is the situation.
For next turn we need to decide whether to keep our current SE settings, going Free Market or going Planned.

Votes please (for the record)

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	22-09-2004 08:18									#71
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Looks good.

So what's the pros/cons of FM vs Planned at this point besides the greenies becoming meanies if we go FM?

	22-09-2004 18:04									#72
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For Planned, our pop growth increases, and our crawlers will be finished sooner, but we might expect more b-drones. We're pretty much countered for that atm with the psych allocation, but there will come more then we can handle with the new base(s) coming up in 3-5 turns. Faster growth also means were going to need doctors sooner or else research at turtle speed.

Free Market. Current Psych allocation is normally be sufficient to keep the drones happy, we'll have faster research, native life is more likely to come our way. So finishing our sensor grid would be most paramount then.

	23-09-2004 02:43									#73
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One thing about FM is that we will no longer be able to afford leaving a base without a unit. Worms are very likely to get to one of them.

	24-09-2004 00:40									#74
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'kay, turn has arrived, I played a bit with the SE numbers.

To have a 'stable' society:
Free Market: 30% econ/40% psych/30% lab gives us 15 energy/year and a 13 year research time
Planned: 30% econ/30% psych/30% lab gives us 9 energy/year and a 17 year research time.
All production and growth increases as well.
Simple: 30% econ/30% psych/ 40% lab gives us 10 energy/year and a 16 year research time.
Of course we can go inefficient and increast the lab slider with 10%, taken from the econ slider.

Tech choices were Doc:Mob, Soc Psych, Field Modulation and erm... Polymorphic Software I think.

So, what economic choice do we follow?

	24-09-2004 04:55									#75
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Actually Planned does not look that bad. We will need only ethical calculus and there goes pop boom.

One remark- if in Planned psych is going to be 30% (and maybe 40% too) Kahlua probing may be in danger of drone riots. IIRC pop growth is before production, thus drone riots may occur. Doeas it mean we will not have that colony pod there? In planned mineral costs go down, so the pod will be next turn. In that case maybe a doctor there for this one turn only? Or increase psych? Unless I am wrong and there will be no drone riots. I would need to check it, but I have no time at the moment.

	24-09-2004 05:04									#76
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'kay, 1 vote for Planned atm
0 votes for Free Market
0 votes for Simple

Next!

	24-09-2004 05:20									#77
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I go for planned

	24-09-2004 05:24									#78
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2 Planned, 0 FM, 0 simple thus sofar. Might be nice if Maki comes over to vote as well.

	25-09-2004 04:06									#79
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No extra votes added, Planned it will be then. I'll finish the turn...

	25-09-2004 04:35									#80
	2138 turnreport Got spare money?

• Switched to Planned, energy allocation is 50/0/50 and a doctor in Kahlua Probing. Looks like there will be no drone riots next turn despite that most size 1 bases will grow. None of them used their 'police' to quell drones so I gather it's safe to do so.
  
• Doctrine: Mobility is our current research, it will takes 12 turns. That will undoubtedly get lower next turn.

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	25-09-2004 04:40									#81
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• First of all, it's about time to let a new Sinder come forward.
  2140 is approaching fast. Volunteer(s)?
  
• Kahlua finishes a cp this year, any proposals as where to found our next base? Also, I gather a new crawler for KP's next production?
  
• There are quite some other bases who finish their production this year, and grow. I propose to launch a cp production wave on them, as to increase our base pop and to make the PTS more powerfull once we have it.

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	25-09-2004 04:42									#82
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I wait with posting the Morgan's turn in case any of you has thoughts/objections on running 50/0/50 energy allocation on planned while bases will grow. I have to admit I'm not so familiar with this situation.

	25-09-2004 07:54									#83
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It looks much better than anticipated. Let's hope nothing unpredicted will happen

- Is moving rover to the fungus going to check if that mindworm previously seen in the area is there?

- Base is going to be in that forest tile, where probe team is presently?

- I think of that new colony pod sneaking again behind that hive synth, but we would need another unit for escort? where to take it from? Or maybe other place, but it seems we are out of good spots in that area. Unless that piece of land west from seraph's wing bay. Although to get there pod would need to go through 2 tile with fungus. Without escort that might be quite risky

- Are we going to mindprobe that hive synth? It will start maybe a war?

	25-09-2004 07:57									#84
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder ... on running 50/0/50 energy allocation on planned while bases will grow. I have to admit I'm not so familiar with this situation.

I think sometimes suddenly bases go for drone riots. Cause: when there is 1 population basic (unmoddified) happines may be different than that when pop is 2. Let's hope it will not be the case in our bases this time.

	25-09-2004 10:00									#85
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All looking good (School is picking up, attempting to adjust personal schedules to compensate)

	25-09-2004 10:24									#86
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder ...There are quite some other bases who finish their production this year, and grow. I propose to launch a cp production wave on them, as to increase our base pop and to make the PTS more powerfull once we have it.

Could we squeeze Recycling tanks somehow there? They are great facilities. They cost no upkeep, and give +3 resources (1 each). We could rush them with energy, after first 10 minerals are accumulated. that should not take much time.
Any propositions as to when to do it?

	25-09-2004 10:42									#87
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I like the idea of squeezing the RTs in before the cps as that will make the cps crank out just a little faster and also help the bases recover faster from the pop loss of the cps.

	25-09-2004 12:20									#88
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RecTanks cost 4 rows. With planned and wealth it is like 4x8=32. This way having 10 minerals, cost of each hurry will be 22x2=44EC. Not that much.

	25-09-2004 14:27									#89
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Good idea.

And candidates for Sinder are Mart 7x5 or Flameflash seeing they both have contributed this past while. THe next ten years from 41- 50 are likely to be very interesting.

	25-09-2004 14:51									#90
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I would propose Flameflash for Sinder. I think I can analyze data during this time. Unless he wishes otherwise.