01-09-2004 00:06									#241
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Many child support agencies would disagree with that statement.

	01-09-2004 00:16									#242
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but does that make it right?

	01-09-2004 00:22									#243
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi That additional paperwork is a promise to each other that must first be broken in order to become divorce. Just the commitment made provides more security for both of you, even given the attitude that marriage is nothing more than a piece of paper.

I personally believe that marriage is much more than a piece of paper but thats me. Not everyone out there has the same beliefs.

I know of long term monogamous unmarried folks that have a real promise and commitment to each other and I know of married folk where both are cheating . The marriage isn't your security . . . any security comes from "knowing" your partner and believing what they tell you.


Oh and BK you always seem to assume pregnancy-- If you are careful ( ie use a condom correctly plus an additional method) the chances of a pregnancy are very very very small

	01-09-2004 00:26									#244
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quote: Oh and BK you always seem to assume pregnancy-- If you are careful ( ie use a condom correctly plus an additional method) the chances of a pregnancy are very very very small

Yeah, but the key word here is correctly. You are still taking a risk, and the woman bears more of the consequences than the man.

	01-09-2004 00:28									#245
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quote: Many child support agencies would disagree with that statement.

Harder to get a divorce to leave a pregnant partner, than to walk out on someone you've just been living with. That's all I'm saying.

quote: I know of long term monogamous unmarried folks that have a real promise and commitment to each other and I know of married folk where both are cheating . The marriage isn't your security . . . any security comes from "knowing" your partner and believing what they tell you.

True. The marriage only has meaning, if you are willing to put something into it. Why get married if you don't want to make a commitment?

	01-09-2004 00:30									#246
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i really dont understand the debate in this... the risk of pregnancy and disease is ALWAYS present, though condoms and what not can greatly lower the risk. Sex is never risk-free, however.

if you're willing to take the risks, fine... but you must always be prepared to deal with the risks... risks that 14 year olds could never possibly be prepared for

i dotn get yall... to me, me, ben, and jon are the only voices of reason and yall are insane.

	01-09-2004 00:46									#247
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Crossing the road isn't risk free. Do you abstain from that?

	01-09-2004 00:54									#248
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer i really dont understand the debate in this... the risk of pregnancy and disease is ALWAYS present, though condoms and what not can greatly lower the risk. Sex is never risk-free, however. if you're willing to take the risks, fine... but you must always be prepared to deal with the risks... risks that 14 year olds could never possibly be prepared for i dotn get yall... to me, me, ben, and jon are the only voices of reason and yall are insane.

With a condom and the pill the risks are ridiculously low. And that's not counting that you're probably risking more on the long-term by denying yourself a source of pleasure and mental balance.

	01-09-2004 00:54									#249
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi And you know this from experience?

Yes, I waited until I was 24. I don't care to get into specifics, but I definitely began to get quite nihilistic. And I know why, as I know my brain pretty well.

quote: From your standpoint, you've got the milk without buying the cow. From her standpoint, she has no security.

You watch too much Oprah Winfrey. Stop taking advice from sex-hating women and Christians... they really have no clue.

Sex is enjoyed just as much by women as men.

Just as much means she is getting milk too.

And we are both quite secure in our relationship, thank you very much.

	01-09-2004 00:59									#250
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Marriage only has meaning, if you are willing to put something into it. Why get married if you don't want to make a commitment?

because people are taught sex is evil unless they are married. People don't want to be evil... but everyone wants sex.

	01-09-2004 04:14									#251
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp I never suggested that you hate women, but there's a lot of stereotyping there. Could negative views on women be holding you back?

It's possible. But I'm willing to bet it's because I'm so shy I can't talk to women .

	01-09-2004 05:17									#252
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quote: Crossing the road isn't risk free. Do you abstain from that?

i usually look both ways...

and anyway, thats a risk i'm willing to take. i can't stay on my block all the time so i'm willing to take the risk. I NEED to cross the street. i'm not willing to take the risk of contracting diseases or getting someone pregnant, even if the risk is the same.