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Hercules is offline Hercules
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The Archbishop has now returned from a period of self-reflection and is ready to join an alliance.

Adagio is the vote.

* gjramsey is pleased with being from Siena, a place I shall be visiting in a little over a month from now.


Watch out for the horses, especially the one with the big hooves and a gleam in its eye.

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Heah I just realised. I am not in this game. I can safely say.

" No pope here"

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Pierced in his side, Ljube. If you're going to give us clues, get it right.

Intriguing.



Isn't that the same thing?

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The votes so far:

Adagio - 6 votes
Ben Kenobi - 6 votes
Jonny - 1 vote

Votes not cast - 2

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Jonny and Kalius.

I'll wait till tomorrow morning and close the voting in exactly 10 hours from now. If the vote is still undecided then, we'll let the coin decide.

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Well, Rovere has always had a good relationship with our family, so I'll go with Adagio.

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Hah! I will vote Ben Kenobi just to be faecetious

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I don't know whether to or

Ties make it somewhat interesting, but hopefully Ljube-ljcvetko doesn't waste a lot of time trying to decide who wins the coin toss.

Too bad the dead can't vote.....wait, I already said I wanted them both dead, so I would have kept it tied

Rather ironic that the potentially deciding vote (for my treacherous brother) was cast by Ben himself!

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I don't think Raphael is the mafia. so why should I vote for him?

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I say kill 'em both. There are two mafias after all.

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Coin time.

The attached password protected zip file contains a text file with a single number: 1 or 2.

So Adagio or Ben Kenobi, guess. And joncha can guess for Ben Kenobi.

Attachment: coin.zip
This has been downloaded 1 time(s).

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Just give me '1' to get it over with... I'll be killed nomatter what I pick anyway...

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Just give me '1' to get it over with... I'll be killed nomatter what I pick anyway...


You are probably right, but choosing 1 will kill you sooner.

The password is 'cardinal' and you die while Ben Kenobi lives.

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But I know that with my luck if I had chosen 2 I would have been killed anyway

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Chapter 4 - Pontifice Terrible


Upon returning from Florence, Girolamo Savonarola met with Cesare Borgia.

“My mission to Florence was a great success. Piero de Medici is overthrown and I rule in Florence now”, Girolamo Savonarola was jubilant. “So, what happened in Rome while I was away?”
“Nothing special”, Cesare Borgia replied, “except that Giuliano Della Rovere is now Pope and I am as good as dead.”
“Surely, something can be done about it.”
“I’ll be damned if I don’t try. It’s him or me now.”

****

The cardinals later met to decide on the small issue of the death of one of the artists. They found it to be a classic case of artists’ jealousy and sentenced Adagio to death.

Pope Julius II formerly known as Giuliano Della Rovere also appointed Piero de Medici as new cardinal.

****

Martin Luther was given the opportunity for an audience with the Pope.

Pope Julius II started.
“My son. You are summoned here to defend your ideas some of the cardinals consider heretical. Some of them are urging me to exorcise those ideas out of you using torture.”
“Your Holiness, I have the right to stand trial if it comes to that and defend my views.”
“Sure you have, but it doesn’t have to come to that. I have chosen another path. As I am generally uninterested in the religious disputes and theology, I solve these problems with the help of simony.”

The Pope paused. Then he continued.
“If you don’t speak about your reforms of the Roman Catholic Church any more, I am willing to appoint you cardinal. Think about it. You are young. One of the cardinals gets elected. You stand a good chance of becoming the Pope one day.”

Thus a new alliance was formed and Martin Luther became cardinal.

****

In the morning the guards discovered Ben Kenobi dead on the altar of St. George’s cathedral, lying face down. Again, his head was bashed in using the corner of a picture frame and his internal organs were removed. Niccolò Machiavelli examined the body carefully.

“Hmm, again a very large knife was used to inflict the deep cut. But what is this?”

Machiavelli found a piece of cloth in the right hand of the Pope. It was a piece of cardinal’s robe. The Pope must have torn it during the struggle with his attacker.

“It appears a cardinal did this. The only problem is there are 23 of them and I can’t indict them all”, Machiavelli whispered but nobody heard him. Fortunately for him.

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Name Role Status
1. Tuberski Cardinal Cesare Borgia, Archbishop of Valencia, Vicar to the Pope Alive
2. FlameFlash Cardinal Giulio de Medici Stabbed - mafia round 1
3. Adagio Raffaello Executed - round 3
4. joncha Niccolò Machiavelli Alive
5. duke o’ york Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, Archbishop of York Alive
6. Kassiopeia Lucrezia Borgia Alive
7. SnowFire Cardinal Girolamo Savonarola Alive
8. gjramsey Cardinal Francesco Todeschini Piccolomini, Archbishop of Siena Alive
9. Skanky Burns Michelangelo Alive
10. rah Pope Alexander VI Borgia Killed with a picture frame and butchered - mafia round 2
11. Spaced Cowboy Giovanni Sforza, duke of Milan Executed - round 1
12. Jonny Cardinal Giovanni de Medici Alive
13. Whoha Cardinal Martin Luther Alive
14. Gamecube64 Cardinal Piero de Medici Alive
15. DrSpike Titian Alive
16. reismark Juan Borgia, duke of Gandía Alive
17. Theben Leonardo da Vinci Stabbed - mafia round 3
18. Kalius Cardinal Alessandro Farnese Alive
19. Ben Kenobi Pope Julius II Killed with a picture frame and butchered - mafia round 4
20. Sparrowhawk Cardinal Giuliano de Medici Executed - round 2




The second mafia sure does have a thing for popes

Time to vote. Voting will be closed in 19 hours.

Kassiopeia is offline Kassiopeia
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How fortunate that I can never become one.

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Well, at least I know Skanky Burns as Michaelangelo did not kill me off.

But what about the second mafia?

Who would he be?

Obviously I was getting too close to the truth.

Please, save your lives and find the Mafia.

And typical, that my aid and assistance to outsider Martin Luther results in my death.

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Whoha is offline Whoha
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Son of a ***** he made me a cardinal right before killing Ben and then blaming it on a cardinal. Things aren't looking good for me.

I for one suspect some Machiavellian plot is at hand here.

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If you are voting it's better to use bold the posters name as opposed to his characters.

If you are dead, it's better not to bold any names....

duke o' york

ACK!

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Isn't that the same thing?


"they shall look on the one they have pierced, the passover lamb without blemish."

And this shall be my last word, for dead men tell no tales.

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ha! just noticed this... "Kassiopeia... Lucrezia Borgia " naughty, naughty

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Whoha. We can't let this heretic Martin Luther be a cardinal, or perhaps even become Pope someday...

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The clues clearly point to a cardinal. Whoha's lame attempt to deflect suspicion won't fool anybody.

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Who(ha) knows why Tuberski keeps voting for me?

Is it a hangover from a previous mafia game? I don't recall starting a docpile on him.
Still, I like the looks of this one. I always felt that Luther would be a threat to the Church, and he has proved it by murdering two popes.

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Joachim von Ribbentropp, foreign minister of the Reich, had an underling who represented him in the Wannsee conference where the Final Solution was agreed upon. The underling was called Martin Luther. Coincidence? I think not! Whoha

Besideswhich, was Luther even ever a cardinal of the RCC? Granted, being brought up Lutherian, it might be an aspect that's only been skimmed in my education. I do realise he was in the RCC before the reformation began, of course, but a cardinal? IIRC he visited the Vatican only once!

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Interesting analysis.

Whoha

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Whoha it is

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Besideswhich, was Luther even ever a cardinal of the RCC? Granted, being brought up Lutherian, it might be an aspect that's only been skimmed in my education. I do realise he was in the RCC before the reformation began, of course, but a cardinal? IIRC he visited the Vatican only once!



Had I been Pope at the time, I would have made Luther cardinal. Then you wouldn't have been brought up Lutheran, but good Catholic

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Chapter 5 - Death to the heretic!


Tired of the political struggles between the Borgias and the Medicis, the cardinals elected Francesco Todeschini Piccolomini as new Pope. He chose the name Pius III.

Shortly afterwards, Niccolò Machiavelli met with the Pope.

“Your Holiness, the investigation I have conducted so far indicates we’re dealing with two murderers. Two multiple murderers. Furthermore, the evidence gathered at the last crime scene strongly incriminates one of the cardinals.”
“Mr. Machiavelli, you know I would like nothing more than to catch the killer who has murdered so many of our friends over the last week. Not a day has passed that I haven’t prayed to the Lord to stop the killings. And you are telling me now there are two killers in fact. I do not contest that. But to accuse the cardinals without sufficient proof. I think it would be impossible.”
“I don’t want to accuse all cardinals, Your Holiness. Please, take a look at this.”

Machiavelli handed over the piece of cardinal’s robe to the Pope.

“What is this?”
“It’s a piece of cardinal’s robe, Your Holiness. We found this piece of cloth in the right hand of Pope Julius II. He must have torn it off during the struggle with his attacker.”
“So, what’s your plan?”
“You can invite me to attend the next session of the conclave and I’ll watch closely to see if the robe of one of the cardinals has a piece missing or if some of the cardinals aren’t wearing their robes. If I don’t spot the culprit then, I can, with your permission, later search the quarters of those cardinals who hadn’t been wearing their robes.”
“All right, we’ll do that way. The killer must be found.”

****

The conclave convened to decide on the matter of the death of Pope Julius II. Machiavelli was present and watching closely as agreed. He spotted that Cardinal Martin Luther’s robe has a piece missing. He spoke out.

“It’s Cardinal Martin Luther! He is the killer of the popes!”
“What are you talking about?” Martin Luther was puzzled.

Machiavelli approached the cardinal and compared the piece he had with the hole in cardinal’s robe. It matched.

Cardinal Thomas Wolsey spoke.
“I have always detested heretics. I thought it was Julius’ mistake that he has appointed you cardinal. Now is time to correct this mistake.”
“But I am innocent”, protested Luther.
“Die heathen swine”, Alessandro Farnese exclaimed “and with your death show to the world how the Roman Catholic Church deals with heretics and murderers.”
“I have been framed!” cried Luther.
“Prepare the stake”, Giovanni de Medici was eager.

And Whoha was burnt at stake a few hours later.

Rome breathed a sigh of relief, but it would prove to be a short lived one. For the next morning the guards found reismark dead in his villa on the outskirts of Rome. He was lying face down in the great hall of the Borgia mansion, next to the Roman sarcophagus engraved with images of the centaurs, ancient Roman gods and other mythical figures.

This time the murderer obviously didn’t know the victim as he was struck from behind, stabbed in the back.

 
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