01-09-2004 07:55									#181
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Ted's review:

1) The Bush twins sound like complete airheads.

Not that Kerry's daughters were any better. But this whole, "use your children at the convention to appeal to younger voters thing," has totally flopped, and only worked marginally well with Gore's daughter.

2) All of the speakers are totally flat. Even Arnold. Although I liked his "I'll be back" story about the wounded soldier in Iraq.

3) I think Mrs. Bush is oblivious to the outside world even moreso than her husband is.

	01-09-2004 07:58									#182
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quote: Even Arnold. Although I liked his "I'll be back" story about the wounded soldier in Iraq.

I'm absolutely sure it's true though.

quote: 3) I think Mrs. Bush is oblivious to the outside world even moreso than her husband is.

Aww, c'mon, even after that story about the little afghan woman at the olympics??? Her !!! husband mad that happen !!!!

	01-09-2004 07:58									#183
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One would think the one that goes to Yale would sound intelligent.

	01-09-2004 08:02									#184
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Are you insinuating that she is not intellectually qualified, and got in because of family influence?

	01-09-2004 08:04									#185
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Just honouring a family tradition.

	01-09-2004 08:22									#186
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I'd still hit it though. duh

	01-09-2004 08:26									#187
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I'd hit it with all four of them, more likely than not. Vanessa and Barbara both look too much like their respective fathers, though.

	01-09-2004 08:28									#188
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Once again we're told 9/11 happened because we are "free".

I'd like to see this country divided up with a range of ideologies given sections. That way when the globalists piss someone off the rest of us don't get attacked.

	01-09-2004 08:31									#189
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quote: Our adversaries are weaker than us in arms and men, but weaker still in causes. They fight to express a hatred for all that is good in humanity. We fight for love of freedom and justice, a love that is invincible. Keep that faith. Keep your courage. Stick together. Stay strong. Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will.

	01-09-2004 08:33									#190
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I saw it on the local news. Not much of my own to add, but I liked our state response.

quote: State Democratic Party Chairman Ron Oliver said the president has not made the grade when it comes to jobs, education, security or health care. "Since Bush took office, 86,000 people in this state have lost their health insurance. We now have well over 400,000 people that have no health insurance in Arkansas." Oliver says Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (website/newsbio) will help Arkansas families. He says by implementing Kerry's health care plan, 290,000 more people in Arkansas will be provided health insurance coverage.

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0804/169901.html

	01-09-2004 08:40									#191
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DanS,

Same old good/evil dichotomy usefull for starting wars but not very productive otherwise.

	01-09-2004 08:41									#192
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We're in a war and Democrats are complaining about health care after 8 years of Clinton?

	01-09-2004 08:45									#193
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quote: Same old good/evil dichotomy usefull for starting wars

And useful for ending them too.

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quote: Originally posted by DanS And useful for ending them too.

Right- just like at Afghanistan and Iraq! Ohh...wait, don't...

	01-09-2004 08:52									#195
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quote: Originally posted by DanS And useful for ending them too.

Yeah, so you start and end wars. I guess it doesn't matter unless you fight in them though, huh?

	01-09-2004 08:56									#196
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What are you talking about? We're fighting in the wars.

	01-09-2004 09:16									#197
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Ted!

-=Vel=-

(I kept waiting for the Bush daughters to stumble through their speech and say something like "...but the most important thing we learnt from Daddy Bush is....Cocaine and Heroine are GREAT ways to forget we're this buffoon's kids! Just remember kids, NEVER mix your drugs!" (insert stupid bush daughter nervous laugh here)

	01-09-2004 09:19									#198
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Arnold's speech = 100% fluff, 0% substance.

Nothing about the issues...all vague references to why America is so cool, and then somehow magically transferring said coolness to the Shrub.

I shuddered when I saw all those "four more years" signs, too.

What are they putting in the water?

FOUR MORE YEARS? You gotta be kidding me!

In that length of time we'll have started at least one more war, not gotten out of the other two, and completely alienated the last of our friends.

No thanks.

-=Vel=-
EDIT: To say nothing of the state of the economy after four more years of high tech job losses being replaced by Mickey D's Fry Cooks....

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quote: Originally posted by GePap quote: True Republicans do believe in protecting the environment, supporting civil rights etc... You mean true republican believe in the heavy hand of the state putting onerous regulations on poor property and business owners? Or that they back quotas that increase racism instead of fighting it?

Gepap is a TROLL: Thinks Republicans Only Like Libertarianism

quote: Originally posted by John McCain Our adversaries are weaker than us in arms and men, but weaker still in causes. They fight to express a hatred for all that is good in humanity. We fight for love of freedom and justice, a love that is invincible. Keep that faith. Keep your courage. Stick together. Stay strong. Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will.

quote: Originally posted by germanos What a demagogue Is this the same guy that was a 'candidate' for a Kerry/McCain ticket I heard this in the morning, and it made me sick.

quote: Originally posted by alva Yesterfay it made me sick too, but I think it's because we aren't used to this. I have yet to see anything like it in national politics, the only group that comes within a 1000 miles of it are called extremists. Perhaps we shouldn't take it too serious and see it for what it is...

Translation for Euros:
“Once more into the breach”

	01-09-2004 09:53									#200
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quote: Originally posted by Velociryx I shuddered when I saw all those "four more years" signs, too. What are they putting in the water?

Americans politics is largely about emotions. Rational arguments don't sway people from one position to another. Repugs will be Repugs and Dumbos will be Dumbos. Moderates will pretend to be morally superior to both, but really have their thumb up their asses just like everyone else.

	01-09-2004 09:58									#201
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except the libertarians.,

	01-09-2004 09:59									#202
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No, that's emotional also. You just think you have reasoned positions, when in fact all you do is rationalize your greed.

	01-09-2004 10:03									#203
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Like your positions are reasoned

	01-09-2004 10:20									#204
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quote: Originally posted by DanS What are you talking about? We're fighting in the wars.

To spell it out for you, that was a crack on Bush who avoided Vietnam.

	01-09-2004 10:27									#205
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Like your positions are reasoned

My positions are reasoned, but I hold them because they resonate with me emotionally.

	01-09-2004 10:33									#206
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Americans politics is largely about emotions. Rational arguments don't sway people from one position to another. Repugs will be Repugs and Dumbos will be Dumbos. Moderates will pretend to be morally superior to both, but really have their thumb up their asses just like everyone else.

* Jaguar is Moderate who pretends to be morally superior! w00t!

	01-09-2004 10:48									#207
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So Adam Smith would you hit it or not?

	01-09-2004 16:49									#208
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Gotta disagree with you, Che.

Sure, emotionality plays a role. Undeniably. And I'll even agree that appeals to emotion are a powerful means of persuasion....But to say that the only reason we hold this or that position is because of those emotions....not buying it.

-=Vel=-

	01-09-2004 18:26									#209
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quote: Originally posted by Velociryx Arnold's speech = 100% fluff, 0% substance. Nothing about the issues...all vague references to why America is so cool, and then somehow magically transferring said coolness to the Shrub.

And what did you expect? The democrats convention was equally lacking substance. That's what conventions have evolved into. The only difference between the two is that the democrats paint a negative picture because they want change. i.e. their man to be president. The republicans paint a positive picture because they want no change, i.e. their man to be president.

Anyone that expects anything else to happen is naive.

Mindless pratter to play on emotions.

My issue is the ugliness of the demonstrators. It's one thing to dissagree but it's another to threaten, obscenely insult, and all the other ugly things they have done. It's a black eye on NYC and the Democratic party.

	01-09-2004 18:29									#210
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My issue is that it shouldn't BE that way.

All that money wasted for THAT?!

We got more important stuff to do with the cash...if that's all they're gonna use it for, let's skip the conventions and do something useful with the coin.

-=Vel=-
(and I agree with you, re: the protesters)