27-09-2004 13:33									#121
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quote: That mid-90s ABs outfit was the best I've seen in a long time. Tough, fierce and immensely skilled.

Plus delicate constitutions? A little food poisoning and they went to pieces.

quote: The sort of level J**** reached when he peaked.

So Robin is the brother of Zinny then?

Jonno is still on that peak. A shame he seems to have ruled the Lions out at the moment.

quote: The Lions Tests, perhaps one Test over there.

Did he play in the 2002 defeat in Ireland – the Irish forwards were Kings that day.

quote: A lot of people are put off by the fact that the beef is raw.

It doesn’t phase me though – so next time I am in Italia I must hunt it down.

It looks like Tamerlin is in for a heart stopping season the way Toulouse are going.

How happy was I we beat Saints?

Jonno was binned on nine minutes. The Saints lock (Browne) punched him in the face as Tigers formed a maul – Martin punched him back. You would think after all these years he would learn to turn the other cheek. He needs to be a good boy now – one more yellow makes for a one match ban automatically.

Krige behaved pretty well – losing it only once right at the death when for some reason the younger Tuilagi brother had a rush of blood and when chasing a kicked through ball dropped straight on the fullback Reihana without letting him regain his feet. Tuilagi was rightly carded for it but before he could be the mother of punch ups kicked off and Krige was shepherded away by ‘peace keeping’ Tigers forwards.

VD scored a cracking opening try. Rabeni kept up his try a game record. Bust most telling 27 of our 32 points were scored by Englishmen. Not a single Saints point came via an English player.

Broadfoot stood up to the test. Good hands, a great kicking game and he also made some lovely breaks – certainly not afraid to run the ball. If he carries on this well Goode may only return at fullback.

Check out the Premiership table – despite losing that opening game we are only one point of the top. We have gone bonus point crazy this season.

It is Rob Andrew's mob away next weekend - I really want us to take the points up there so Rob can moan some more to the media (heck he moans even when they win!).

	27-09-2004 14:02									#122
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Plus delicate constitutions? A little food poisoning and they went to pieces.

Oh well, they gave enough other teams' supporters the sh*ts, it was their turn.

quote: So Robin is the brother of Zinny then?

Yup. Only he knows to keep his opinions to himself. I think he's coaching in NZ these days.

quote: Jonno is still on that peak. A shame he seems to have ruled the Lions out at the moment.

I hope he sticks to his retirement. He has nothing more to gain. Perhaps if the Lions were playing us, he might have something to gain in the form of revenge. But even then. Always depart the stage leaving them wanting more. As Tamerlin so perfectly demonstrates on a weekly basis.

quote: Did he play in the 2002 defeat in Ireland – the Irish forwards were Kings that day. ;-)

Injured. Remember? Nine-tenths of the crowd were his rellies, come from all over Ireland to watch him play.

quote: It looks like Tamerlin is in for a heart stopping season the way Toulouse are going.

I now know why he doesn't attend matches.

quote: Krige behaved pretty well –

How did he play?

quote: VD scored a cracking opening try.

Yeah, I've heard Saints defence is crap.

quote: 27 of our 32 points were scored by Englishmen. Not a single Saints point came via an English player.

Well, as long as England management make the connection.

quote: Check out the Premiership table – despite losing that opening game we are only one point of the top. We have gone bonus point crazy this season.

See what happens when you field a S12 player? Next thing your set pieces will fall apart.

quote: It is Rob Andrew's mob away next weekend - I really want us to take the points up there so Rob can moan some more to the media (heck he moans even when they win!).

I notice they lost. Burke was at full back. I haven't seen him mentioned in dispatches yet.

	27-09-2004 15:02									#123
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quote: Originally posted by finbar You must keep trying. They say the French are inclined to look kindly upon people who at least attempt to speak their language.

Don't misunderstand me, even if I am not considering myself as a master of the French language I am nonetheless far more litterate than most of the French.

	27-09-2004 15:05									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Havak It looks like Tamerlin is in for a heart stopping season the way Toulouse are going.

Too late, I have "devolved" into an "undead" since I am following the Stade.

	27-09-2004 17:36									#125
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That’s is what I call suffering for your team. Even at Tigers worst I didn’t consider becoming a Zombie.

quote: Yup. Only he knows to keep his opinions to himself

quote: But even then. Always depart the stage leaving them wanting more. As Tamerlin so perfectly demonstrates on a weekly basis.

You are probably right. I personally feel out best chance of lowering their colours is if he does take part.

His instincts are probably solid – he remains untainted by the England debacle since the RWC after timing his walking away just right.

quote: Injured. Remember?

It’s coming flooding back!

quote: I now know why he doesn't attend matches.

I thought that was poverty?

quote: How did he play?

The honest answer is ‘averagely’. He was more prominent for being skipper (talking to the ref) than for his play. He came off second best against the old war horse Backy on the day.

Oh and Backy has said he wants to try for a Lions spot in 2005.

quote: Yeah, I've heard Saints defence is crap.

Saturday proved that. The try in question was a beautiful kick and chase – Ellis saw that Reihana has drifted out of position and popped a ball over Saints heads – he and VD chased it and of course VD won.

quote: Well, as long as England management make the connection.

They certainly know how things are. I am not sure they truly care to be honest. As long as a few clubs are churning out English lads the RFU seem content to whip them away and keep the short term bank balance rolling.

At the end of the day if only ourselves, Wasps and Sale are producing English youngsters the consequences could be dire.

quote: See what happens when you field a S12 player? Next thing your set pieces will fall apart.

If he was a forward they already might have.

Kay put in a good game by the way – but then it was an easy game to do so in. he did make our lineout rock solid, but it was fairly solid with Deacon anyway.

quote: I notice they lost. Burke was at full back. I haven't seen him mentioned in dispatches yet.

I doubt this means he has been off the pace – all the reports have been almost solely about Jonny since he returned. Glaws tucked them away fairly easily this weekend – and are flattering to deceive again I suspect.

	27-09-2004 17:55									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin Don't misunderstand me, even if I am not considering myself as a master of the French language I am nonetheless far more litterate than most of the French.

I just wish my French was a tenth as good as your English!

	27-09-2004 18:29									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Oh and Backy has said he wants to try for a Lions spot in 2005.

I've just made up an adage. Old age and wisdom don't always catch the same bus.

quote: – Ellis saw that Reihana has drifted out of position and popped a ball over Saints heads – he and VD chased it and of course VD won.

Elbowing his teammate aside, no doubt!

quote: I doubt this means he has been off the pace – all the reports have been almost solely about Jonny since he returned.

The coverage he gets is extraordinary. And unhealthy, I'd've thought.

	27-09-2004 18:36									#128
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It's a good adage - he will be half way to 37 by the time of that tour and wearing a Seven shirt that has to be a tour too far I think.

There was a touch of Elbows I think.

I agree about Wilko - very unhealthy. They are putting the weight of England's future on his shoulders alone and I would not be surprised to see him crack under it

	28-09-2004 01:07									#129
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quote: Originally posted by finbar I just wish my French was a tenth as good as your English!

Nobody's perfect...

	28-09-2004 05:19									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Havak I agree about Wilko - very unhealthy. They are putting the weight of England's future on his shoulders alone and I would not be surprised to see him crack under it

And he will be captain?

	28-09-2004 05:27									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin Nobody's perfect...

J'aurai le dernier mot!

	28-09-2004 13:02									#132
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The media have made him captain already.

Perhaps Robinson will stick it on an older pair of shoulders for the autumn - Hilly perhaps. If Wilko has to have the armband it would be better to break him in against six nations opponents rather than Boks and Aussies.

Vickery is also a candidate (not that I rate him as a skipper) but to be honest on form he may struggle to get picked ahead of Julian White.

Check Zinny's latest column - another classic as he tells us he would move a player that Clive played out of position (Hill) to somewhere else he would be out of position.

	28-09-2004 13:27									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Havak The media have made him captain already. Perhaps Robinson will stick it on an older pair of shoulders for the autumn - Hilly perhaps. If Wilko has to have the armband it would be better to break him in against six nations opponents rather than Boks and Aussies. Vickery is also a candidate (not that I rate him as a skipper) but to be honest on form he may struggle to get picked ahead of Julian White.

I'd've thought Hill had to be a chance. I don't know much about him as a person or leader, but Wilkinson doesn't need the extra pressure.

quote: Check Zinny's latest column - another classic as he tells us he would move a player that Clive played out of position (Hill) to somewhere else he would be out of position.

I read it. I was hoping you'd see it! What an utter d*ckhead!

	28-09-2004 14:40									#134
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The French Barbarians selected to play against Australia are reinforced by three world champions including Jonno and Dally. As the game is played the same day as a French Championship round, it seems that the Barbarians have decided to spare many French players to the benefit of the clubs.

Dallaglio will be captain of the team.

	28-09-2004 14:42									#135
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quote: Originally posted by finbar J'aurai le dernier mot!

Non !

Note that, in French, there is a space between the last letter and the exclamation mark.

	28-09-2004 15:03									#136
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If the French Barbarians are truly promoting Jonno and Dally for that fixture someone is badly misleading you (to sell tickets?) - there is a full English league program through the autumn internationals and there is no way that Wasps and Tigers will release them to play in that game.

Sorry to break the bad news.

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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin Non ! Note that, in French, there is a space between the last letter and the exclamation mark.

Only because les grenouilles can't think of anything to fill the space!

	28-09-2004 18:08									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Havak If the French Barbarians are truly promoting Jonno and Dally for that fixture someone is badly misleading you (to sell tickets?) - there is a full English league program through the autumn internationals and there is no way that Wasps and Tigers will release them to play in that game. Sorry to break the bad news.

The game's played on a Tuesday. Isn't two or three days off enough?

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Probably not.

The reality is that neither club will be pleased to release their club skippers to prospective injury in an ultimately meaningless game when both have games the next weekend that do count for the clubs bottom lines...

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	29-09-2004 06:01									#140
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Probably not. The reality is that neither club will be pleased to release their club skippers to prospective injury in an ultimately meaningless game when both have games the next weekend that do count for the clubs bottom lines...

I can't find any reference to what Tamerlin's talking about. I really wish he'd give the wacky backy a rest. Still, he's almost as entertaining as this little gem:

quote: Leicester flanker Lewis Moody's desire to impress on his return after injury caused a flare-up with Tigers captain Martin Johnson in training last week. "It was my first session and I was extra keen, trying to do everything and hit everything," Moody told The Sun. "Tempers flared and 'Johnno' and I had a little coming together. He gave me a little dink and I gave him a little dink - but his hurt a lot more!

Yellow cards on the training track!

Edit. Oh, and G. Henry reveals that Carlos' AB days are numbered

	29-09-2004 12:49									#141
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quote: I can't find any reference to what Tamerlin's talking about

I too have only heard it from him – not a dicky bird anywhere else.

You saw the Moody story then? Not as bad as it sounds – ‘Dinks’ on the training ground have long been a part of Tigers culture because the training is so full on. Nice to see Lewis back doing "full contact" work.

Interesting to see Henry may have finally abandoned the Spencer experiment and seemingly is abandoning Merhtens too. The timing is perfect – I would no longer think we would be interested in either with Westhuyzen back next season and Broadfoot showing promise – so Henry by persisting with Carlos as long as he did saved us a pile of cash in the end.

So what is this trouble Matt Rogers is in? Something about calling Aussie club rugby pointless and useless?

And further insight into Henry’s plans – Brock James refused the chance to play S12 in NZ simply because, although NZ resident, he is Aussie qualified through Sevens and they only want S12 stand offs who can be ABs.

One suspects if this 22 yr old Aussie had not yet donned wattle he might have been fast tracked to the Black.

	29-09-2004 14:04									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Havak I too have only heard it from him – not a dicky bird anywhere else.

I told you he could be a French comedy writer.

quote: You saw the Moody story then? Not as bad as it sounds – ‘Dinks’ on the training ground have long been a part of Tigers culture because the training is so full on. Nice to see Lewis back doing "full contact" work.

Define a "dink" for me.

quote: So what is this trouble Matt Rogers is in? Something about calling Aussie club rugby pointless and useless?

He called playing it a waste of time. He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, our Matt. He tends to run off at the mouth a bit in his newspaper column. The reality is that club rugby is obviously a lower grade than, say, S12. It always will be, regardless of any move to a national club comp. The majority of the players in club footy are amateur or as good as - expenses, bonus for wins, and so on. Matt's problem is that he didn't come up through club rugby. He went from school rugby - and playing schoolboy rugby for Australia - to L*****. He never experienced the club rugby culture. Our better rugby players, who came through the system, love going back to play for their clubs. It's where they grew up and developed their games. By going back and playing on a suburban ground in front of a thousand people in a tinpot grandstand, they're putting something back into the game. They know it, and look forward to it. That's what Matt fails - or failed - to grasp.

quote: And further insight into Henry’s plans – Brock James refused the chance to play S12 in NZ simply because, although NZ resident, he is Aussie qualified through Sevens and they only want S12 stand offs who can be ABs.

Yes, and the Kiwis are changing their S12 rules to match ours. You have to be eligible and available to play for the national team to play S12.

quote: One suspects if this 22 yr old Aussie had not yet donned wattle he might have been fast tracked to the Black.

Depending how good he is.

	29-09-2004 15:16									#143
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A "Dink" is an action whereby bodily harm is occasioned on a player by another player. It has a wider meaning than punching but is generally used synonymously for punching.

Ruck of course is used in the same way - and can lead to confusion at games for non Brits when someone in the crowd next to you shouts they are 'rucking' and all you can actually see in all in boxing taking place.

	29-09-2004 17:29									#144
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A rare glimpse into the Leicester psyche. Of course, in France, a "dink" is the blonde tip in a player's hair.

	29-09-2004 18:09									#145
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Well either that - or myself attempting to say the word 'drink' at a bar at 3am.

	29-09-2004 21:48									#147
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quote: Originally posted by finbar I told you he could be a French comedy writer.

It has been reported in the Midi Olympique, the French Rugby gossip source number one.

	30-09-2004 05:17									#148
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I'll go and check it online. If Midi Olympique is available online. Not that we doubt you.

	30-09-2004 12:11									#149
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quote: Originally posted by finbar I'll go and check it online. If Midi Olympique is available online. Not that we doubt you.

Only a part of it is available for free, the more interesting part is only available if you pay for it. I have read the article again and Neil Back is also supposed to come with the two other thugs.

	30-09-2004 13:47									#150
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This barbarians match is between the Aussie's fixtures with Scotland and France right?

So Tigers are expected to release Jonno and Backy for it? It's not impossible as our opponents that weekend after are Worcester away - but it is still not going to happen IMO.

If the Barbarians game is after the match with France it simply will not happen as Tigers and Wasps meet the weekend after that - neither club will let those players go before that.

I see Toulouse are skippering Wales now then?