08-10-2004 17:45									#211
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quote: Originally posted by finbar So Marsh didn't become a French citizen?

As far as I know he became a French citizen after his first selections, something that was certainly related to the need of the ASM to free a place for another foreigner.

quote: On another front, promising news. I think I'm convincing Mrs finbar to spend an extended period in either France or Italy! But at a cost. I would have to use the time there to write a book. A small price to pay!

I recommend south-western France...

	08-10-2004 20:13									#212
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quote: Originally posted by finbar It hasn't hurt Alexander's Horse! Are you with the government now? Or were before? Or still?

Was with the govt. The US 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals to be exact. The 2nd Circuit being New York, Connecticut and Vermont. The people in my department were great, but we were being sorely mistreated by a woman at the top who had no clue about technology. To be frank, she was (is) a paranoid psychotic. Everyone in my dept started looking for a new job. I'm the only one who's found one so far.

Now I'm at a publishing company (Crain Communications) getting much better money and learning lots of new things.

In other news...we just bought a beautiful house in West Orange, New Jersey. We move in January.

quote: G. Henry is still leaning on Canterbury to play Daniel Carter at 5/8. Canterbury are telling G. Henry they'll do what they think is best for their team. But I think you're right, Carlos' AB days are numbered if not over. His is an interesting case of a wonderful S12 player who seems unable to adapt his game to Test rugby. Perhaps it's also an indication of the fundamental difference between S12 and Tests.

Carter's goal kicking was not up to his usual high standards in the Auckland game. Mehrtens did very well with his kicks in play though. I still think he should have an AB Jersey. He might just get one if Canterbury win the NPC..

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quote: an extended period in either France or Italy! But at a cost. I would have to use the time there to write a book.

Considering how much time it can take to write a book, it might be a very extended period? But then you probably write faster than I can (not even talking of being published).

	09-10-2004 08:23									#214
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin I recommend south-western France...

I can think of worse places! The choice is between France and Italy. It's hard to know which. I speak more French than I do Italian, not that my French is very good. I did seven years of it at school so I have a good grasp of the basics. The idiom, of course, is the challenge.

Still, at least Mrs finbar's change of attitude has given me cause for hope.

	09-10-2004 08:26									#215
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Was with the govt. The US 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals to be exact. The 2nd Circuit being New York, Connecticut and Vermont. The people in my department were great, but we were being sorely mistreated by a woman at the top who had no clue about technology. To be frank, she was (is) a paranoid psychotic. Everyone in my dept started looking for a new job. I'm the only one who's found one so far.

I've often wondered what the 2nd Circuit meant within the American court system. Presumably there are other circuits with numbers?

quote: In other news...we just bought a beautiful house in West Orange, New Jersey. We move in January.

Mmmm. Caligastia Soprano.

quote: Carter's goal kicking was not up to his usual high standards in the Auckland game. Mehrtens did very well with his kicks in play though. I still think he should have an AB Jersey. He might just get one if Canterbury win the NPC..

Still, you beat Otago last night. Ooops! I hope I didn't just spoil it for you.

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quote: Originally posted by LDiCesare Considering how much time it can take to write a book, it might be a very extended period? But then you probably write faster than I can (not even talking of being published).

I'd like to be there for at least two years, regardless. Any less would feel like a holiday, which isn't either what I'm after or the point of the exercise. Obviously I'm not going to come to grips with a new country in just two years, but it would be a reasonable start.

	10-10-2004 05:33									#217
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Leicester 16 drew with Bath 16

On top of our federal government being returned with an increased majority this is all I needed - a late Leciester try to save them from defeat!

	11-10-2004 08:35									#218
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*Yawn*
Mmmm.
Well, all short holidays have to end sometime I suppose.

ravagon would like to say that he's been happily sunning himself in beautiful Tuscanny for the past couple of weeks but that would no doubt evoke a plethora of 's from somebody or other.
Aside from that it wouldn't exactly be entirely truthful either.
Anyway, ravagon has now found somewhere else to live, packed up all of his meager worldly possessions, moved them the grand distance of ~3.5km and unpacked them all again, managing to lose only his flippin' tax return thingummy in the process.
:very proud:

Somewhere in all of that he got himself stuck in third person too but he's working on it as he types.

So has anything interesting happened in the rugby world in the last few weeks?
The Leicester draw aside of course. This being interesting of course only due to the fact that they didn't manage to lose again.


Incidentally, what do ballot boxes go for on e-bay these days? Fresh from a couple of those marginal Labour electorates I'm told. Still sealed so they've never been counted.
Probably should hold on to them - let them appreciate in value for a while ...

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	11-10-2004 08:50									#219
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At some point last week, as she contemplated the inevitability of the government being re-elected, Mrs finbar actually pondered a move to New Zealand. That's how deeply, deeply depressed she was feeling.

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Well it seems work falls apart when I take a few days off. Hopefully I will get chance to read back properly later.

Do you remember Tamerlin’s friend Chris White? Guess who refereed the Tigers-Bath game? Guess who saw Bath in all sorts of trouble in the scrum and watched their tight head Bell popping up all the time and did bugger all? Same Mr White.

They scored a lucky try via that Aussie flanker England are trying out – and thanks to Whitey letting their forwards get away with murder (I swear their blindside was the 9th man behind our scrum most of the time) they made it hard for us. The second half let class tell with them getting just one scrappy drop goal and Tigers scoring two beautiful tries.

That ‘last minute’ try that annoyed Finbar so much is worth seeing – opportunistic scrummie play at it’s best. Harry Ellis for England it would seem.

Still it was two points dropped against a poor Bath outfit that punched above their weight. Hoping for more next week at Quins (and I would recommend you all check out the current table).

And Ravagon – I’m rather hoping they manage avoiding losing again for a while (the next two games are Quins away then Calvisano at home – losing either would be something of a disaster).

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quote: Originally posted by finbar At some point last week, as she contemplated the inevitability of the government being re-elected, Mrs finbar actually pondered a move to New Zealand. That's how deeply, deeply depressed she was feeling.

Cheer up - I'm over it already.

I refuse to let the rodent ruin my life

	12-10-2004 14:21									#222
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He is certainly the only Conservative PM called Howard there will be this decade.

	12-10-2004 17:28									#223
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quote: Ah, Havak, the RFU sure knows how to hang you out to dry, doesn't it?

Sounds much more like lazy journalism in a slow news week to me.

As you say – no debate on this one.

quote: IMO, the former system was much closer to the spirit of our beloved game.

Currying favour with the SH boys Tamerlin? Shame on you.

quote: Yeah, I think Carlos may be on the way out soon as far as the ABs go

Now he has announced that he will not tour this November so he can rest various niggling ‘injuries’ I think we can safely assume the time of Carlos is well and truly over?

And lock-jaw, now retired fro England duty, has entered the club-country debate pointing out the rather obvious fact that clubs should not have to play on weekends where England do. As everyone but the RFU realise.

Four losses in a row for Krige’s Saints side now (lost to Kafer’s woeful mob Sunday). Solomons is coming under huge pressure for his foreign legion summer signings not performing.

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quote: Originally posted by finbar I've often wondered what the 2nd Circuit meant within the American court system. Presumably there are other circuits with numbers?

Yes, each refers to a geographical area. I think there are 9 circuits in all.

quote: Mmmm. Caligastia Soprano.

Well, my wife is part italian...

quote: Still, you beat Otago last night. Ooops! I hope I didn't just spoil it for you.

Nope, I watched the taped game last night before looking back at this thread. Did you see the game? It had the most thrilling finish I've seen for a long time.

	12-10-2004 18:45									#225
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Do you remember Tamerlin’s friend Chris White? Guess who refereed the Tigers-Bath game? Guess who saw Bath in all sorts of trouble in the scrum and watched their tight head Bell popping up all the time and did bugger all? Same Mr White. They scored a lucky try via that Aussie flanker England are trying out – and thanks to Whitey letting their forwards get away with murder (I swear their blindside was the 9th man behind our scrum most of the time) they made it hard for us. The second half let class tell with them getting just one scrappy drop goal and Tigers scoring two beautiful tries. That ‘last minute’ try that annoyed Finbar so much is worth seeing – opportunistic scrummie play at it’s best. Harry Ellis for England it would seem.

That's what I like - an objective view of a match.

quote: (and I would recommend you all check out the current table).

I just did. My eyesight must be failing. I couldn't make out the name of the team on top. Could you do my aging, ailing eyes a favour and spell it out for me?

	12-10-2004 18:46									#226
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Cheer up - I'm over it already. I refuse to let the rodent ruin my life

Had friends around for dinner tonight. Fully supportive of my plan to spend at least two years in, more than likely, Italy. Mrs finbar warms to the idea by the day. It's only a matter of time!

	12-10-2004 18:49									#227
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quote: Originally posted by finbar I'd like to be there for at least two years, regardless. Any less would feel like a holiday, which isn't either what I'm after or the point of the exercise. Obviously I'm not going to come to grips with a new country in just two years, but it would be a reasonable start.

Sounds like it would be a dream come true for you. Let me know if you end up having a stopover in NYC.

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quote: Originally posted by Havak Now he has announced that he will not tour this November so he can rest various niggling ‘injuries’ I think we can safely assume the time of Carlos is well and truly over?

The only reason he got in in the first place was because of the Blues' Super 12 victory last year. The ABs mistakenly thought they could adopt a Super 12 team's style of play and win at the international level.

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quote: Originally posted by Havak Currying favour with the SH boys Tamerlin? Shame on you.

The perspicacious chap, whose judgement I have never ever questioned, is entitled to his opinion.

quote: Now he has announced that he will not tour this November so he can rest various niggling ‘injuries’ I think we can safely assume the time of Carlos is well and truly over?

And G. Henry's hearty support of Carlos' decision to rest his niggling "injuries" only underlines the point.

quote: And lock-jaw, now retired fro England duty, has entered the club-country debate pointing out the rather obvious fact that clubs should not have to play on weekends where England do. As everyone but the RFU realise.

Read it. Very sensible. Too sensible for the RFU, obviously.

quote: Four losses in a row for Krige’s Saints side now (lost to Kafer’s woeful mob Sunday). Solomons is coming under huge pressure for his foreign legion summer signings not performing.

But aren't they perennial under-achievers?

	12-10-2004 18:54									#230
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quote: Originally posted by finbar At some point last week, as she contemplated the inevitability of the government being re-elected, Mrs finbar actually pondered a move to New Zealand. That's how deeply, deeply depressed she was feeling.

How will the re-election of Howard affect you guys anyway? You get to keep more of your tax dollars?

	12-10-2004 19:06									#231
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Well, my wife is part italian...

Mmmmmm. I shall watch my words.

quote: Nope, I watched the taped game last night before looking back at this thread. Did you see the game? It had the most thrilling finish I've seen for a long time.

I caught the last ten minutes. Amazing game.

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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Sounds like it would be a dream come true for you. Let me know if you end up having a stopover in NYC.

Great city. One of the two or three great cities I've been. Along with Florence and Venice. Been there four times. Probably won't get there again for a while. But you can go and say hullo for us to the hotel at which we always stay - the Mayflower on Central Park West. Wonderful old place.

	12-10-2004 19:14									#233
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia How will the re-election of Howard affect you guys anyway? You get to keep more of your tax dollars?

It's not about dollars. It's about several of the very unfortunate aspects of the Australian character that he has targeted and exploited. But enough of politics. Our friends over for dinner tonight are actually seriously contemplating New Zealand. The husband is a rugby supporter, too.

	12-10-2004 19:15									#234
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quote: Originally posted by finbar I caught the last ten minutes. Amazing game.

Pity it makes no difference to Auckland's chances of getting into the top 4.

But at least our history was defended. Otago have not won at Eden Park since 1976.

	12-10-2004 19:26									#235
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Jonathan Humphries (Welsh – and Bath skipper so double jeopardy there) called Lipman the “best 7 in the Premiership” on the pitchside interview and that got him boo’ed off the pitch (given Backy still is, of course). So as Lippers was the recipient of a blatant forward pass from Thuggy Fleck to get the only Bath try I felt my review was more than balanced considering.

Tindall, on his second game back from injury, looked very strong.

quote: Could you do my aging, ailing eyes a favour and spell it out for me?

No Problem.

T-I-G-E-R-S

I was tempted to increase the font size there.

Don’t tell me you were not being serious?

But then we are way past irony given your defence of Tamerlin’s free speech. I took that seriously of course.

quote: The only reason he got in in the first place was because of the Blues' Super 12 victory last year. The ABs mistakenly thought they could adopt a Super 12 team's style of play and win at the international level.

I would say there is a great deal of substance in what you are saying here Caligastia.

quote: Read it. Very sensible. Too sensible for the RFU, obviously.

Quite. Touted the game too widely for TV revenue – and found itself committed to a fixture list that doesn’t fit into a year without overlap. Business defeats sport every time.

quote: But aren't they perennial under-achievers?

A club over 120 years old – one Division 2 title and the 2000 European Cup (worst final ever) are the only weights in their trophy cabinet. Finished third in the League two years running under Smith (03 and 04) and both times destroyed by Wasps in the play off semi.

So in answer to your question – yes.

	12-10-2004 19:31									#236
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quote: Originally posted by Havak But then we are way past irony given your defence of Tamerlin’s free speech. I took that seriously of course.

Sometimes, it happens that I can write something sensible.

	12-10-2004 19:32									#237
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quote: Originally posted by finbar It's not about dollars. It's about several of the very unfortunate aspects of the Australian character that he has targeted and exploited. But enough of politics. Our friends over for dinner tonight are actually seriously contemplating New Zealand. The husband is a rugby supporter, too.

From what I've heard things are going very well in Australia, why would people want to move at this point?

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I wasn't suggesting otherwise Tamerlin - just reacting flippantly to Finbar's comic feed line alledging he was suddenly 'born-again' on defending your right to offer your opinions because you offered one that would specifically annoy me.

As it happens I find most of what you offer about SH rugby sensible.

	12-10-2004 21:11									#239
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quote: Originally posted by Havak I wasn't suggesting otherwise Tamerlin - just reacting flippantly to Finbar's comic feed line alledging he was suddenly 'born-again' on defending your right to offer your opinions because you offered one that would specifically annoy me.

I have the weakness to consider he supported me because my arguments were good.

quote: As it happens I find most of what you offer about SH rugby sensible.

	12-10-2004 21:22									#240
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By the way:

Stade Toulousain 39 - Club Sportif de Bourgoin-Jailleu 5

The Stade Toulousain sprinkled some very good Rugby with fools that stopped many great actions. There are some reason to hope...