11-08-2004 22:18									#1
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Explore with the rover and spore launcher

Move independent scout patrol into Gaia's Landing; move spore launcher out

Heal mind worm for two turns before opening the pod to its northeast.

Formers on CP's tile builds road

CP moves to its base site


Decisions:

The unity foil found another pod, in open sea. We can pop it if we feel adventurous.

We can use our injured mindworm to pop the pod as planned last turn, and hope we can capture or otherwise kill any resulting mind worms.

	11-08-2004 22:35									#2
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MW seems too injured for popping - I seriously doubt it can survive combat. Also, I am against taking any risk with Unity foil until we can support it somehow.
I guess new SL will go west and rover south?

	11-08-2004 22:43									#3
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CT points out in the turn summary that we need to finalize our base production plans. If you havn't yet voted for what each base should produce, go vote in the poll!

U-Foil bravely runs away NE NE

I don't mind our MW popping the pod now. At this stage we could see 3 MWs pop, but we aren't moving any targets through the area. If we find a monolith it would be nice. Waiting is fine with me too though.

	11-08-2004 22:48									#4
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The thing about popping the pod with the mind worm is that it doesn't need to survive combat:

It has a good chance to capture whatever comes out
and
a mind worm that pops to the south or southeast of the pod could be handled by the scout in base #3, at the cost of a doctor for 1 turn.

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	11-08-2004 23:08									#5
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I voted at the poll.

	12-08-2004 02:30									#6
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It's either pop or heal completely I think. Healing would be nice to get ready for the returning ferry trip, but popping that pod now has many potential benefits and few things to weigh against it.

	12-08-2004 14:47									#7
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No heal - pop!

Even if there will be 3 MWs, they wont attack our MW - we have +1 planet and no ecodamage

Correct me if Im wrong, but I dont recall MWs attacking Gaian worm in such a state when Gaians have no ecodamage!

	12-08-2004 17:08									#8
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I thought native life did not attack other native life unless provoked. If you pop a pod and a worm comes out, it won't attack your worm. I think anyway

	12-08-2004 17:34									#9
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I've seen both ways, so I tend to assume the worst.

	12-08-2004 20:30									#10
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I've tested this a lot and I've never seen a native attack a +Planet faction's natives if they are not stacked with non-natives. It is still risky if 3 popped worms get interested in our bases however. Nonetheless, I say 'Go for it'

	13-08-2004 03:26									#11
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I see no danger in popping the pod. OTOH, we could wait till it's within a base radius in the future. That gives a better chance at a favorable pop, I believe. If we do pop it now, make sure VS has a Net Node or Probe in production.

I think we can keep the MW on our continent since we were lucky enough to capture another spore launcher. Save it to heal and then explore our northern frontier. I'd like to build a probe team to join our explorers to our west, and another to go and say "Hi" to the Hive.

Definitely take ZERO risks with the foil.

Otherwise, things are looking very good. Onward Gaians!

	13-08-2004 13:32									#12
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Sometimes I feel very bad about attacking the native life. They don't attack me, retreat away, but I chase them for the planetpearls, and it feels like betrayal.

	13-08-2004 20:15									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Net Warrior I think we can keep the MW on our continent since we were lucky enough to capture another spore launcher. Save it to heal and then explore our northern frontier.

We've been discussing this for several years. What has changed your mind? The mindworm is the single best land explorer until hovercraft. Why would we keep it at home?

	13-08-2004 21:15									#14
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We've got a lot to explore right here at home and we already have 2 explorers abroad. I'd like to send a probe rather than a MW next since the foil only carries one unit at a time.
If it's already been decided otherwise, I'll go along, but I think my plan is better.

	15-08-2004 03:57									#15
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Here's a thought, its probably very far away, and not counting our chickens before they hatch, but if we get Weather Paradigm, any lowering or raising of artificial land bridges we would want to do?

	15-08-2004 04:49									#16
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Raising land bridges is fairly easy, but not often desireable. Lowering them is pretty expensive, but could be worthwhile if we really needed it. However, that's pretty far off. Right now we're content to deal with the land.

	15-08-2004 21:49									#17
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Opened the turn, no messages and nothing unexpected. Both of our turnplayers are offline, but I am sure that turn will be played by the time I check the forum tommorow. If not, I am ready to help.
I trust all orders have been verified? I think scouts in New Muirland (my suggestion for the other continent ) don't have accepted orders or it doesn't seem to me. We agreed about CP and formers I believe. Oh and MWs destiny is decided I would say.

	16-08-2004 06:43									#18
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What do you mean, no messages? I opened the turn and had the commlink for Santiago pop up. Granted, nothing was offered and nothing was said, but it was still odd.

I'm to tired to figure out what the consensus on build orders is, and if we change everything next turn, we'll start to lose minerals. If no one plays it by the time I'm rested and have time (probably ~15 hours from now), I'll go ahead and play it, but I need to crash.

	16-08-2004 13:08									#19
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Spartan turnplayer probably just checked our status via info method so we got the popup - I am sure this is what happened.
Since nothing was offered there wasn't any messages except the popup.
Poll shows consensus in all but first two bases, FT and GL where there is a tie. I suggest it is decided immediately.

	16-08-2004 15:36									#20
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Tie broken

	16-08-2004 22:13									#21
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Use both rovers to pop the pods in flat terrain

Found base #6

Send spore launchers further west and east

See the turn report for what happened.

	16-08-2004 23:10									#22
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I trust our first URover shall pop NE pod first or not? In case MW appear it should spawn them outside fungus which would made them easier to kill.
Also, I believe we can hurry sth with money we have. Are we saving money, or shall we hurry a couple of formers?

	16-08-2004 23:27									#23
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It would be nice to hurry things, but nothing's ready to be hurried yet. Something should be ready next turn.

Oh yeah, how about healing the mind worm now, since we have a rover next to a pod, and the other pod is in rocky terrain and will need the coordination of both the rover and the mind worm?

	17-08-2004 15:05									#24
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Heal MW: yes

It will take ~3 turns for healing it, I suppose, so the rover can explore a bit more to N - you see the border approaches..

Our next bases (after we solve the b-drone problem should really be placed in UF - it's a good position and not too far from our HQ, thus not losing much from the bonus energy to Inefficency

Btw - how are we going to solve the b-drone problem?

2nd rover should first pop the pod to NE, then to SW

And Sporelauncher should go to river, for that pod right the next turn (possibly there's some fungus down the river too)

	17-08-2004 16:10									#25
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Future b-drone solution: rec commons.
Therefore, after IA (or before it if we cannot research it), we should get Social Psych.

We can start producing colony pods and breaching the b-limit before we actually get Social Psych, because we can tolerate the extra doctors. Alternatively, we can just spend the extra time pumping out supply crawlers, for harvesting, and to snag some SP.

	18-08-2004 00:44									#26
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More bases = more support = more formers (or other units).

More bases = more energy.

More bases = more centers of production.

Even when a new base starts with a bdrone we can built a scout for police to start. I think we keep building some new bases at all times. That nut. bonus tile in the UF might make a good "mother base" site.

	18-08-2004 04:27									#27
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Back from 3 days of travelling...

Um, wow! Nice pod popping!

As to expanding....I thought we were leaning towards production of probe teams for grabbing an SP and infiltrating our enemies? I have no problem with changing our long term strategies, but when people suggest a change in overall strategy, it should be discussed in context of previous plans, should it not?

For example:

'I suggest producing CP's in bases X,Y,Z because we will benefit slightly from the additional bases even with b-drones in our core because A,B,C. Additionally, this change in plans will seriously hinder our previous plan to focus entirely on building an SP. The SP plan 'is not as beneficial to our overall strategy as spamming a few bases for the following reasons....'

This strengthens the argument for change and is a curtosy to people like me who will inevitably bring up the old plans anyways, like this:

The benefits of producing a few more bases without drone control or crawlers are seriously compromised by the fact that we will not know which core bases will recieve the b-drones until they occur. These bases will have 0 workers and hence will be effectively paralyzed for production purposes until crawlers are donated to their production support. Additionally, this change in 20-year strategy will hinder our ability to build an early SP by denying us the additional probe teams for disbanding that will greatly speed such a project. Thirdly, creating an uncontrollable b-drone in any base will put that base at risk, should it be attacked in the 30 years of productionless doctoring it will have to endure.

Proposal: While we all wish for ICS, we are roadblocked by our inability to handle our drones to any great benefit. Thus, we should take this as an opportunity to maximize our production in other directions. The production of the Human Genome Project will alleviate our ICS-less-ness, deny such a project to our enemies, and allow our bases to make meaningful production contributions until such time as we either complete the project or have traded/stolen Social Psyche.

-S

	18-08-2004 07:27									#28
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Well, maybe we need a long-term strategy thread. The era of single-turn planning seems to be over. All future turn plans will need to be made in the context of the longer-term strategy.

	18-08-2004 19:24									#29
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Turn's in! However, I may have trouble making time to play it, as I am moving tomorrow and have not yet started packing. I should be back online and available Friday.

	18-08-2004 19:24									#30
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