05-09-2004 10:49									#31
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No product or service can stay on top forever.

This goes for operating systems as well. Just look what happened to Mac OS in it's early days.

The market goes something like this: FLIP-FLOP FLIP-FLOP FLIP-FLOP FLIP-FLOP FLIP-FLOP!!!

	05-09-2004 10:54									#32
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Nah it mostly goes:

95% of people use Mircrosoft


The other 5%:

1) Predict end of Microsoft in 5 years
2) 5 years comes and 95% still use Microsoft
3) Repeat steps 1 and 2

	05-09-2004 10:55									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley There used to be a time when GM, Ford, and Chrysler dominated automaking... major changes may happen in the OS market once there's foreign competition.

*MNG nods

	05-09-2004 10:56									#34
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The thing is the market has always been open to foreign competetion

The auto market was closed to foreign competition, so the competitive factor has always been available to counter Microsoft

	05-09-2004 10:56									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Nah it mostly goes: 95% of people use Mircrosoft The other 5%: 1) Predict end of Microsoft in 5 years 2) 5 years comes and 95% still use Microsoft 3) Repeat steps 1 and 2

Nope, 1 FLIP-FLOP cycle is a long cycle.

	05-09-2004 10:57									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley There used to be a time when GM, Ford, and Chrysler dominated automaking... major changes may happen in the OS market once there's foreign competition.

And Tucker had a design that would revolutionize automaking......



ACK!

	05-09-2004 10:58									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy Nope, 1 FLIP-FLOP cycle is a long cycle.

25 years?

	05-09-2004 11:02									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker 25 years?

Sounds about right.

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quote: Originally posted by Smiley There used to be a time when GM, Ford, and Chrysler dominated automaking... major changes may happen in the OS market once there's foreign competition.

Not a valid analogy -- competition could run on the same roads.

The comparison here is people use Windows (standard roads). Switching to Linux is like driving a car too wide to fit on most roads.

Converting all of the infrastructure to permit the wide cars costs too much, and most people just don't see a reason to use the cars in the first place.

Until Linux can run on standard roads (run Windows software), and until it's as widely supported in hardware drivers as Windows, and until it's as easy to use as Windows, it's not going anywhere significant.

	05-09-2004 11:07									#40
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I can see Agathon and Mister Nice Guy at the old folks home on their rocking chairs in the year 2050:

"That damn Microsoft, some day Mac OS 3000 and Linux will beat them on the desktop. In 5 years, in 5 years..."

	05-09-2004 11:09									#41
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Optimists.
Realists.
Pessimists.

	05-09-2004 11:11									#42
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Glad to see you giving me the thumbs up.

	05-09-2004 11:14									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Glad to see you giving me the thumbs up.

Smartellic!

Optimists = Nobody I know of
Realists = Mr. Nice Guy, Others
Pessimists = Ted Striker, Asher, Q Cubed, Others

	05-09-2004 11:20									#45
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This is hardly a newsworthy event, as it is just an SEC filing.

It in no way means Linux is even competing.

	05-09-2004 11:21									#46
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Ted and I are the realists here, alas.

You only view it as pessimistic because it's not what you want.

	05-09-2004 11:26									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Ted and I are the realists here, alas. You only view it as pessimistic because it's not what you want.

Well, if you're going to put it that way then you're just as biased as I am because it is what you DON'T want.

	05-09-2004 11:45									#48
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At least I'm not so biased enough to say that Linux and/or Mac OS will someday take 95% of the market share in operating systems and leave Windows with 5%. No, I don't think that will ever happen. Windows has it's strong points ( such as in video games) and will need to play on it's strenghts in the future if it's going to survive.

But Linux and Mac OS have their strengths, too, such as better security features and ease of use, and will need to play on these strenghts in order to take a substanstial amount of market share away from MS.

Realisticly, I see Linux and/or Mac OS taking at least half of the OS market share in the future and perhaps even up to a 1/3 each.

Personally, I would like see like to see the market look something like this:

Windows: 33%
Linux: 33%
Mac OS: 33%
Other: 1%

GO WINDOWS!
GO LINUX!
GO MAC OS!
GO OTHERS!

	05-09-2004 11:50									#49
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quote: Smartellic! Optimists = Nobody I know of Realists = Mr. Nice Guy, Others Pessimists = Ted Striker, Asher, Q Cubed, Others

can't spell, can ya?

1. it's sayonara. romanization of each syllable: sa•yo•na•ra.
2. it's smartalec. the clean version of smartass.

how are you a realist? you keep saying things like "the new imac is fully expandable" when it clearly isn't. how am i a pessimist? i say things like:
1. the powermacs are beautiful things.
2. linux is a great os, one that is wonderful to use, but not ready for joe user.
3. windows xp is the best windows yet.
4. mac os x has a lot of nice features.
5. every os has its place and its uses. i personally am platform agnostic.

in fact, the only really negative things i ever say about apple have to do with:
1. style: imacs, ipod minis, g4 cubes, and those damn circle mice are the worst things ever, but mac fanbois like you think they're the best thing since sliced bread.
2. ads and pr: apple has the snootiest, most arrogant ad campaign, and doesn't give hard facts or numbers when they do their comparisons. and when they do give numbers, they're often comparing apples to oranges.

of course, because i deviate from the Gospel of Jobs, and actually tear into Apple by butchering its sacred cows, you think I hate Apple entirely and think nothing good comes out of it.

	05-09-2004 12:07									#50
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honestly, i doubt that you'll ever see a 33% breakdown between all the OSes. of course, since you ignore my posts and refuse to answer them, mr. nice guy, because you have huge misconceptions of me... particularly since you're blinded by the Fruit, you're not going to see this either.

	05-09-2004 12:12									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: Smartellic! Optimists = Nobody I know of Realists = Mr. Nice Guy, Others Pessimists = Ted Striker, Asher, Q Cubed, Others can't spell, can ya? 1. it's sayonara. romanization of each syllable: sa•yo•na•ra. 2. it's smartalec. the clean version of smartass. how are you a realist? you keep saying things like "the new imac is fully expandable" when it clearly isn't. how am i a pessimist? i say things like: 1. the powermacs are beautiful things. 2. linux is a great os, one that is wonderful to use, but not ready for joe user. 3. windows xp is the best windows yet. 4. mac os x has a lot of nice features. 5. every os has its place and its uses. i personally am platform agnostic. in fact, the only really negative things i ever say about apple have to do with: 1. style: imacs, ipod minis, g4 cubes, and those damn circle mice are the worst things ever, but mac fanbois like you think they're the best thing since sliced bread. 2. ads and pr: apple has the snootiest, most arrogant ad campaign, and doesn't give hard facts or numbers when they do their comparisons. and when they do give numbers, they're often comparing apples to oranges. of course, because i deviate from the Gospel of Jobs, and actually tear into Apple by butchering its sacred cows, you think I hate Apple entirely and think nothing good comes out of it.

I've read and am replying to this because I very darn well feel like it.

Huh?

Now prove to me that you're not flip-flopping.

BTW. . .

1. I do believe that every OS has it's strengths and it's weaknesses.
   
2. I do believe that every OS deserves credit when and where it is due.
   
3. I do believe that there is no such thing as an OS that is perfectly suited for everyone.
   
4. I do believe that different OSes are suited for different uses.
   
5. I do believe that when choosing an OS people should be able to make a choice depending on how they are going to use their computer.
   
6. I do believe that Linux and Mac OS has not had enough time to show their true colors.
   
7. I do believe that it is consumers, not businesses that matter the most in a free-market economy.
   
8. I do believe that when companies compete in a fair and balanced manner, consumers always win!
   

	05-09-2004 12:26									#52
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quote: Now prove to me that you're not flip-flopping.

i challenge you to ask anybody who's seen me in the non-mac computer threads. in fact, i dare you. you'll see that i only bash Apple over a few things.
prove to me that you weren't wrong in your shallow understanding of me.

note that I've never really bashed the Mac OS. i leave that to Asher, and Asher knows that I disagree with him much of the time.

so again, prove to me that I've ever been anything different. prove to me that I've ever seriously bashed anything that Apple has done outside of the moronic imacs, the stupid ipod minis, the retarded g4 cubes, and their annoying ads. prove to me that other than the times i've deliberately trolled you, i've ever had anything against apple.

the onus is on you.

and you still haven't explained how the new imac is "fully expandable".

	05-09-2004 12:31									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: Now prove to me that you're not flip-flopping. i challenge you to ask anybody who's seen me in the non-mac computer threads. in fact, i dare you. you'll see that i only bash Apple over a few things. prove to me that you weren't wrong in your shallow understanding of me. note that I've never really bashed the Mac OS. i leave that to Asher, and Asher knows that I disagree with him much of the time. so again, prove to me that I've ever been anything different. prove to me that I've ever seriously bashed anything that Apple has done outside of the moronic imacs, the stupid ipod minis, the retarded g4 cubes, and their annoying ads. prove to me that other than the times i've deliberately trolled you, i've ever had anything against apple. the onus is on you.

You brought it up. You prove it.

quote: and you still haven't explained how the new imac is "fully expandable".

Eh eh um!

Go back and read that last Mac thread for an update.

	05-09-2004 12:44									#54
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quote: You brought it up. You prove it.

why do you think asher and a whole slew of other people laughed at you after you ignored me? i'll give you a hint: it wasn't just 'cause i was having fun and great success at trolling the Apostle of Steve. it's because in your zeal to push the Gospel of Jobs, anybody who pointed out big flaws in your reasoning had to be dealt with. anyone who zestfully devoured your sacred cows in tiny little holyburgers had to be removed from your worldview.

prove to me that i've done what you think i've done: bash apple for no good reason at all. don't take the coward's way out and just point the finger at me.

quote: Eh eh um! Go back and read that last Mac thread for an update.

this is what happens when you chicken out and ignore someone. you miss out on little informative posts that they leave behind.
check the thread again, genius. i dare you.

	05-09-2004 12:49									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed why do you think asher and a whole slew of other people laughed at you after you ignored me? i'll give you a hint: it wasn't just 'cause i was having fun and great success at trolling the Apostle of Steve. it's because in your zeal to push the Gospel of Jobs, anybody who pointed out big flaws in your reasoning had to be dealt with. anyone who zestfully devoured your sacred cows in tiny little holyburgers had to be removed from your worldview. prove to me that i've done what you think i've done: bash apple for no good reason at all. don't take the coward's way out and just point the finger at me.

As soon as you start cussing up a storm, I will ignore you. Please, I ask you to respect that.

quote: this is what happens when you chicken out and ignore someone. you miss out on little informative posts that they leave behind. check the thread again, genius. i dare you.

Ok, I will, but I sure hope I don't come across any foul language.

	05-09-2004 12:56									#56
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quote: As soon as you start cussing up a storm, I will ignore you. Please, I ask you to respect that.

quote: Ok, I will, but I sure hope I don't come across any foul language.

how do you know if it's foul language or if i'm just doing ****?

	05-09-2004 12:58									#57
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Ok, I read your posts in that thread. I found lots of foul language and nothing to indicate this "different" point-of-view that you've pointed out to me.

BTW, the strong language in your posts gives me the feeling that you're not truly being honest of what you speak of; instead you sound like you're just trying to put on your own show by making fun of me and other posters. It's not good form at all.

	05-09-2004 12:59									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed how do you know if it's foul language or if i'm just doing ****?

Strike 1.

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quote: As soon as you start cussing up a storm, I will ignore you. Please, I ask you to respect that.

I ask you to respect that sometimes idiot ideas need to be dealt with in the simplest manner possible. By pointing out how stupid and ill-informed they are. Sometimes, the most efficient way is to use harsh language, and I'm sorry your G-Rated ears can't take that.

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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: As soon as you start cussing up a storm, I will ignore you. Please, I ask you to respect that. I ask you to respect that sometimes idiot ideas need to be dealt with in the simplest manner possible. By pointing out how stupid and ill-informed they are. Sometimes, the most efficient way is to use harsh language, and I'm sorry your G-Rated ears can't take that.

Please, I'm trying to be nice to you and just keep going on and on with these angry words. You're acting very childish.