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Mr. Nice Guy is offline Mr. Nice Guy
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Microsoft: Linux may mean price cuts, fewer sales

Published: September 3, 2004, 11:28 AM PDT

By Jo Best
Special to CNET News.com


Microsoft has filed a report with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission warning that 2005 could be challenging, as Linux continues to steal business and PC sales remain sluggish.

"For fiscal 2005, we believe industrywide factors such as PC unit growth and the success of noncommercial software could significantly affect our results of operations and financial condition. PC unit growth was very strong in fiscal 2004, increasing approximately 13 percent from fiscal 2003. We do not expect similar growth to occur in fiscal 2005," the filing stated.

As well as suffering from a lack of PC buyers, it seems that Microsoft fears that Linux might pick up some of its market share.

"We continue to watch the evolution of open-source software development and distribution...We believe that Microsoft's share of server units grew modestly in fiscal 2004, while Linux distributions rose slightly faster on an absolute basis," the filing said.

"The increase in Linux distributions reflects some significant public announcements of support and adoption of open-source software in both the server and desktop markets in the last year. To the extent open-source software products gain increasing market acceptance, sales of our products may decline, which could result in a reduction in our revenue and operating margins."

Many of the concerns listed in the filing, such as the threat from Linux and the pressure on license, have become boiler plate in recent years. In addition, Microsoft predicted in its recent earnings forecast that PC sales could slow.

Antitrust concerns are also playing a part in the newly modest outlook, with the company hoping to resolve all the remaining antitrust scraps for between $1.1 billion and $1.2 billion.

The filing also lists where Microsoft has identified potential market opportunities. Expect to see Microsoft gunning for the search segment, putting on big consumer technology (TV, games, video) drive and trying to woo small and midsize businesses.
For a company thought to have a cash mountain of some $60 billion, such worries might seem premature, but the Redmond, Wash.-based company has been on a cost-cutting drive that saw office giveaways for things like soda and towels dry up, as CEO Steve Ballmer announced that the company would be aiming to shave $1 billion off its operating costs.



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Not that it matters to Apple, with too few sales for anyone to care about

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Not that it matters to Apple, with too few sales for anyone to care about


And not that I have anything against Linux. I would like nothing more than to see Mac OS X, Linux and Windows to each have 1/3 of the market share in operating systems.

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Not gonna happen. At worst, Linux and microsoft will have 48.5%, and Apple will stay at 3%.

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kuciwalker.

i still want to know how the new imac is fully expandable.

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O$MMFGG The Evil Empire 2.0 will finally fall!!!!11

Applefanatics can finally realize their wetdream!

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which is what, give everybody seriously gimped retardo-computers known as imacs?

how is the new imac fully expandable?

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how is the new imac fully expandable?


By buying a second one?

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By buying a second one?

it expands apple's wallet, but it fails miserably at the actual concept of being "fully expandable".

nice try though.

how is the new imac fully expandable?

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The only response you will get from Mr. Nice Guy will be another I love Apple thread.

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Has Mr. Nice Guy ever made a non-"OMFFG Apple did something right for a change!" thread? Or post for that matter?

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Has Mr. Nice Guy ever made a non-"OMFFG Apple did something right for a change!" thread? Or post for that matter?




Umm, this is a Linux vs. Windows thread. And there are plenty of other Non-Apple threads that I've posted if you just search the forums.

Go figure.

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I'm sorry, but the constant rubbish which you post here must drown out the "good" stuff.

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I sure hope that this is correct, because it means that Linux will get more and more user friendly, and stuff.

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The only response you will get from Mr. Nice Guy will be another I love Apple thread.

edit: i realize calling him a coward is hurtful.

how is the new imac fully expandable?

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It was a typo, he meant "expendable".

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Damn competition.

Hell Microsoft might actually have to put some work into quality.

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The article takes a bunch of separate statements and tries to put them together out of context.

Linux is not stealing Microsoft's PC business.

It is getting totally PWN3D

Nobody buys a pc to install Linux on it

You take your 5 year old loser pc that you don't use anymore and "play" with Linux

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I don't buy a pc to install windows on it, either. Windows just has more games, and software. THAT'S IT, really.

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Yeah but you buy it with Windows regardless.

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Actually, new pcs with LINUX installed are being sold quite frequently these days. It's getting quite user friendly. I hardly recognize it anymore.

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quote:
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Damn competition.

Hell Microsoft might actually have to put some work into quality.


And that's a very good thing!

I am not anti-big business, btw, but I am pro-competition.

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Actually, new pcs with LINUX installed are being sold quite frequently these days. It's getting quite user friendly. I hardly recognize it anymore.


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quote:
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The article takes a bunch of separate statements and tries to put them together out of context.

Linux is not stealing Microsoft's PC business.

It is getting totally PWN3D




Hence the existence of the Halloween Documents?

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Sorry to rain on the parade, but not once has Windows lost marketshare in the desktop or in the server.

Every year, sales increase and marketshare rises. Even well after 1998, when the Linux pundits began predicting Windows' demise. On the desktop, it's just not going anywhere. On the server, it's making gains -- but equal gains made by Microsoft. The gains they're making are not at the expense of Microsoft usually, but at the expensive of the big-box Unix vendors. Another point the Linux pundits ignore.

Linux is a niche OS for desktops, and a cheap OS for servers. That's all it will be.

If the people predicting Linux becoming a majority, or even equal, marketshare actually had any idea about the markets they're ranting about, they would not have such an opinion.

They'll wave their hands and ignore the reports of Windows sales increasing (indeed, they'll latch onto obscure reports -- I recall when XP was released UR was talking about how poor it was selling...), and then chant about how Linux is going to take over.

The Linux pundits are not unlike a cult that is awaiting the apocalypse...

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To help you understand Asher's statement:

The majority of PC useres are ignorant of anything to do with PCs. Even if Linux is better and more user friendly, people will still use it.

Look at AOL.

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Sorry to rain on the parade, but not once has Windows lost marketshare in the desktop or in the server.

Every year, sales increase and marketshare rises. Even well after 1998, when the Linux pundits began predicting Windows' demise. On the desktop, it's just not going anywhere. On the server, it's making gains -- but equal gains made by Microsoft. The gains they're making are not at the expense of Microsoft usually, but at the expensive of the big-box Unix vendors. Another point the Linux pundits ignore.

Linux is a niche OS for desktops, and a cheap OS for servers. That's all it will be.

If the people predicting Linux becoming a majority, or even equal, marketshare actually had any idea about the markets they're ranting about, they would not have such an opinion.

They'll wave their hands and ignore the reports of Windows sales increasing (indeed, they'll latch onto obscure reports -- I recall when XP was released UR was talking about how poor it was selling...), and then chant about how Linux is going to take over.

The Linux pundits are not unlike a cult that is awaiting the apocalypse...


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quote:
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Hence the existence of the Halloween Documents?


Outside of Slashdot, an irrelevent document.

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There used to be a time when GM, Ford, and Chrysler dominated automaking... major changes may happen in the OS market once there's foreign competition.

 
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