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Urban Ranger is offline Urban Ranger
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I've got 3 HDs in my computer right now, with space for 3 more.


Got enough porn there?

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Your very own words tell me that you still don't get it.

Your very own words tell me that you still don't get it.
It is a fact that iMacs are abominations. It is not my opinion, it is the objective truth. My personal opinion just happens to coincide with the truth in this case.

If you want to be like that about it, I'll make this argument:
You think God is an absolute Truth. Other people think it's your opinion. They, however, are wrong.
Suck it up, man. In this case, with the iMacs, you're wrong.

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Yes it is, Asher. You can plug an external drive into one of the USB/Firewire ports. And if you want, you can add even more drives by daisy-chaining them.

This does not make the iMac "fully expandable". "Fully expandable" means that you can go into the machine, and add new components and modules. "Fully expandable" takes your notion of feature replaceability and potential upgradeability, as well as adding external peripherals, and then adds so much more.

It's the so much more part that the iMac cannot do.

Therefore, the iMac sucks.

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An iMac is not designed to be a computer in the conventional sense, Q^3. It is designed to be an appliance.

it is billed as a computer, not as an appliance. it's about as offensive as those pentecostal churches which bill themselves as "catholic" to get converts.
if i wanted an appliance that could connect to the internet, i'd get this or this.

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Got enough porn there?

2 x 120GB are SATA RAID. Linux doesn't know what to do with such a thing using the RAID BIOS, and wants to make it a software RAID (losing all Windows data).

So it also has a 100GB IDE drive for linux. Though since Linux doesn't know what to do with my videocard, it's media storage now.

I use my harddrive space for media, not just pr0n. I have every episode of Futurama and Family Guy that I ripped in DivX Pro 5.2, for example. Not to mention all of the other DVD rips I have, and shows I've taped through my TV tuner in WMV format...

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Very rarely does it make sense to replace a harddrive, unless it died.


When you want to pile 30 gigs of music files onto a 5 gig drive it does.

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Therefore, the iMac sucks.




I love this: "the imac doesn't do what I want in a computer, therefore it sucks".

Q Cubed's invalid inference of the week.

As people have been pointing out to you, the imac is not designed for people like you. It's a perfectly serviceable computer for those who just want to do basic stuff. I've had my imac for over 4 years and it has been an excellent servant. It has never broken down, and it has aged a **** of a lot better than my mother's similarly aged Compaq.

Perhaps the imac's most attractive feature is that it is pretty hard to **** up. I need this in a machine because my wife emits strange computer wrecking rays.

Your assertions boil down to legislating for everyone else what they should use a computer for.

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Agathon, what a shame you are and a disgrace for the Communist Party

You advocate Apple by creating classes of "basic users" and so forth and extending the struggle of the Proletariat

Everyone knows the PC is the People's Computer. Apple is a tool of the borgousie to hamper the workers' productivity and delay the Great Revolution

Shame on you, you capitalist fiend! You disgrace the CPA!

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Not really.

MS has always been bad at patching security holes, has always tried to sit on problems until outsiders blew whistles on them. It's now worse, they are doing this monthly patch thing.

*nix has always been much faster at patching problems.


Red card for using the term *nix.

Don't lump your crappy freeware clone in with commercial Unix.

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Agathon, what a shame you are and a disgrace for the Communist Party

You advocate Apple by creating classes of "basic users" and so forth and extending the struggle of the Proletariat

Everyone knows the PC is the People's Computer. Apple is a tool of the borgousie to hamper the workers' productivity and delay the Great Revolution

Shame on you, you capitalist fiend! You disgrace the CPA!

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Don't lump your crappy freeware clone in with commercial Unix.

Red card for calling it a "clone". Only SCO does that. Unless you want to be SCO...

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I've had my imac for over 4 years and it has been an excellent servant. It has never broken down, and it has aged a **** of a lot better than my mother's similarly aged Compaq.

I've had my Dell for over 4 years and it has been an excellent servant. It has never broken down, and it has aged a [censored to not hurt MNG's G-Rated ears] of a lot better than my friend's similarly aged iMac.

btw, comparing an Apple computer to a Compaq? That's like comparing IBM boxes to eMachines. Or to put it into the car world, that's like comparing a Cadillac to a Yugo.

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No, it is a clone.

It's a clone of real UNIX.

Commercial UNIX is based on the original UNIX code.

Not some hack put together by some student working in his dorm room

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As people have been pointing out to you, the imac is not designed for people like you. It's a perfectly serviceable computer for those who just want to do basic stuff.

btw, this "basic stuff" computing does not exclude perfectly modular and easily replacable small-form factor computers. ones that are truly fully expandable.

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What, Linux? A clone?

If by clone you mean they share the same code, then no. If by clone you mean they share similar interfaces, philosophies, and certain principles, then yes.

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No, it is a clone.

It's a clone of real UNIX.

Commercial UNIX is based on the original UNIX code.

Not some hack put together by some student working in his dorm room


Original UNIX is a hack put together by some student working in his dorm room .

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Original UNIX is a hack put together by some student working in his dorm room .


Sorry, nice try though:

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UNIX was originally developed at Bell Laboratories as a private research project by a small group of people starting in 1969.


http://vertigo.hsrl.rutgers.edu/ug/unix_history.html

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And, on top of that, the code has been developed and refined for almost 35 years now.

Big difference between a mature, well architected code base than a code base taped together by a bunch hax0rs staying up all night on a Coca Cola high.

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Your very own words tell me that you still don't get it.
It is a fact that iMacs are abominations. It is not my opinion, it is the objective truth. My personal opinion just happens to coincide with the truth in this case.

If you want to be like that about it, I'll make this argument:
You think God is an absolute Truth. Other people think it's your opinion. They, however, are wrong.
Suck it up, man. In this case, with the iMacs, you're wrong.

This does not make the iMac "fully expandable". "Fully expandable" means that you can go into the machine, and add new components and modules. "Fully expandable" takes your notion of feature replaceability and potential upgradeability, as well as adding external peripherals, and then adds so much more.

It's the so much more part that the iMac cannot do.

Therefore, the iMac sucks.




Sigh.

It is such a waste of time debating with someone with such a closed-minded attitute.

You know what. Don't bother replying to my posts and be sure to PM me when you're ready to have an open-minded debate. Until then, hasta la vista, baby!

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2 x 120GB are SATA RAID. Linux doesn't know what to do with such a thing using the RAID BIOS, and wants to make it a software RAID (losing all Windows data).


That's pretty odd, because I was able to rig a Linux box with EIDE RAID for a client.

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Don't lump your crappy freeware clone in with commercial Unix.


I have always wondered why IBM would want to put crappy code on their mainframes

BTW, freeware is not the same as free software. This whole thing is mildly amusing, though.

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That's pretty odd, because I was able to rig a Linux box with EIDE RAID for a client.

Obviously you did it with a software RAID.

Try configuring a hardware RAID (using the RAID BIOS), and then getting Linux to recognize it...

Hint: You can't. It's an architectural limitation on Linux.

You can build RAIDs in Linux, but you can't access that RAID from outside of Linux...

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I have always wondered why IBM would want to put crappy code on their mainframes

Own goal: It's possible, and that's what some customers want.

As you likely don't know but probably should know, IBM promotes AIX as the optimal OS for mainframes.

They also sell way more AIX big-boxes than Linux.

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The only reason Linux IS any good is because of all the support from IBM.

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AIX

Crazy azz AIX patches

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it's about as offensive as those pentecostal churches which bill themselves as "catholic" to get converts.


LINK, PLEASE!!!

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Obviously you did it with a software RAID.


Ah yes, Mr Know-It-All, who knows what I did better than I.

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Try configuring a hardware RAID (using the RAID BIOS), and then getting Linux to recognize it...


It appears that I could use the driver that came with the RAID card under Linux.

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Own goal: It's possible, and that's what some customers want.


How would customers know that they can run Linux on S39 if IBM doesn't tell them? They would think that AIX is the only OS they could use, just like the Bad Old Days.

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Everyone knows the PC is the People's Computer. Apple is a tool of the borgousie to hamper the workers' productivity and delay the Great Revolution


And Microsoft is the North Korea of computing.

I don't see your point. The imac is designed as a consumer computer for people who want an all in one, easy to use machine. It's pretty good at that.

People like Q Cubed think that everyone should use computers for what they want. Sure... and everyone should have a 16 wheeler to go shopping in.

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Everyone knows the PC is the People's Computer. Apple is a tool of the borgousie to hamper the workers' productivity and delay the Great Revolution


And Microsoft is the North Korea of computing.

I don't see your point. The imac is designed as a consumer computer for people who want an all in one, easy to use machine. It's pretty good at that.

People like Q Cubed think that everyone should use computers for what they want. Sure... and everyone should have a 16 wheeler to go shopping in.


I have to give mrmitchell a 10/10 on this one. Perfect delivery, and the target was completely unsuspecting.

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Ah yes, Mr Know-It-All, who knows what I did better than I.

It appears that I could use the driver that came with the RAID card under Linux.

Good job.

Now you tell me how to use a hardware RAID using the driver that came with the RAID card under Linux -- so you can dualboot with it.

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Sigh.

It is such a waste of time debating with someone with such a closed-minded attitute.

says the one who's a fundie.

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You know what. Don't bother replying to my posts and be sure to PM me when you're ready to have an open-minded debate. Until then, hasta la vista, baby!

now you're trying to tell me when to post. does this not get any better?

it is an article of faith to me that the imac sucks. i see it as the truth, as you see god as the truth. i find it offensive that you refuse to admit that some people can have beliefs that do not coincide with your own.

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And Microsoft is the North Korea of computing.

coming from a mac fanboi, i find this ridiculous.
anybody with half a brain knows that AOL is the North Korea of computing. Microsoft is just China.

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I don't see your point. The imac is designed as a consumer computer for people who want an all in one, easy to use machine. It's pretty good at that.

Small, truly expandable computers can fit for that purpose.

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People like Q Cubed think that everyone should use computers for what they want. Sure... and everyone should have a 16 wheeler to go shopping in.

false comparison. an imac is like a two-seater plymouth prowler with its hood sealed shut. it looks nice, it gets people where they want, but you can only change a few things, like color, maybe a spoiler or two, the rims, and, drastically, the whole hood section by taking it out and putting in a new one. even worse, it's not even that well-powered, having an anemic 4-cylinder engine.
so yeah, it's a "computer" but it doesn't do its job very well.
on the other hand, with a computer like a powermac g5 or an alienware box, you get a ferrari that you can replace and upgrade individually. that v8 engine not good enough? slap in a v16. the color and the rims not nice? change 'em. want a turbocharger? stick one in. want to add leather seats instead of the velour ones? put 'em in. hell, you could do that with even the yugos of the computing world, those retarded emachines, compaq, or hp boxes.

that's why those fit more along the lines of a "computer".

the choice is between a car that looks nice but sucks in service, or a car that can look nice, and can be fixed and updated.

btw, a sixteen-wheeler, if you're going to go by this, would be more like a RAID storage server, a SAN storage unit or something. again, something that's very useful, but only limited application to people. but not something that everyone gets

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btw, mr. nice guy, i notice that you still refuse to admit that the new imac is not fully expandable.

 
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