06-09-2004 10:10									#31
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The Flordia election was fair, while the one in Venezuela was not because a commie won. Commies shouldn't win elections (if they do, there is something wrong with the election). You know Allende.. he never won with a majority (something like 36%.. his government was a minority government).

	06-09-2004 10:11									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Pinochet references are so

Oh Ted, I'm so sorry.


Which dictator should I be referencing?

	06-09-2004 10:12									#33
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Pinochet wasn't a bad man since he was on the right.

	06-09-2004 10:12									#34
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Which dictator should I be referencing?

Banzer.

Fezzie-poo, Pinochet was a murderer, torturer, and CRIMINAL!!!!!

	06-09-2004 10:15									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Pinochet wasn't a bad man since he was on the right.

Of course dearie.


Perhaps you should have a cup of Horlicks and a quiet nap, before you get carried away in your admiration for the old criminal, and fall over frothing on the carpet.

	06-09-2004 10:16									#36
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Banzer. Fezzie-poo, Pinochet was a murderer, torturer, and CRIMINAL!!!!!

Just like your beloved Fidel Castro and the rest of you commies. More commies are murderers, torturers and criminals then right wingers.

And I was just being funny.

	06-09-2004 10:19									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Just like your beloved Fidel Castro and the rest of you commies. More commies are murderers, torturers and criminals then right wingers. And I was just being funny.

Gut-busting!

	06-09-2004 10:21									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo More commies are murderers, torturers and criminals then right wingers.

Oh, how did you do your survey?


Was it a polite telephone call to the usual house of torture, a face to face interview with the dreaded Slava Nobotnik, torturer at large and Commie paedo pimp, or did you just do a great big


FEZ

and come up with the figures?


'And I was just being funny.'

Yes, Pedro Poopy Pants, but not intentionally, and not in that post.

	06-09-2004 10:21									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Pinochet wasn't a bad man since he was on the right.

We have a Pinochet supporter.

	06-09-2004 10:22									#40
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quote: Information you should be providing, since you're the one placing such great store in these polls. By the way, is there a link to these polls that you're extolling, or are we meant to be taking your word on them ?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...ment/TopStories

quote: No," if the focus includes Mr. Chavez's pre-election manoeuvres that tilted the table in his favour through control of the electoral apparatus and indirect intimidation. Thousands of citizens who had signed the petition that triggered the referendum lost jobs, pensions or suffered harassment. Many feared that their choice would be known to the government, and the ubiquitous presence of machine-gun-toting soldiers inside and outside the polling stations reinforced this concern.

	06-09-2004 10:22									#41
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Judging by his attire in Agathon's avatar, I'd say he really rocked the eighties.

	06-09-2004 10:23									#42
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Oh, how did you do your survey? Was it a polite telephone call to the usual house of torture, a face to face interview with the dreaded Slava Nobotnik, torturer at large and Commie paedo pimp, or did you just do a great big FEZ and come up with the figures? 'And I was just being funny.' Yes, Pedro Poopy Pants, but not intentionally, and not in that post.

Well we have commies like Hitler, Castro, Pol Pot, Mussolini, Idi Amin, Mao Zedong, Brezhnev and a few others.

I can only think of some insignificant military dictators in some latin american countries that are on the right wing.

So it can be safe to say there are more commie murdering dictators.

	06-09-2004 10:24									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...ment/TopStories

Typical of the typical commie...

"Vote for me, or I'll make you lose your job or maybe I'll execute you"

	06-09-2004 10:25									#44
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http://www.ocnus.net/artman/publish/article_13596.shtml

Again, the same allegations of tampering.

It seems strange to me, and suspicious that the results would be very far off the ones predicted just as Venezuela switches to touch-screen voting.


CARACAS, Venezuela -- Venezuela's opposition groups accused the government of President Hugo Chavez of stealing the recent referendum election by tampering with electronic voting machines, raising tensions in the world's fifth-largest oil exporter after a relatively peaceful vote.

Opposition leaders charged that as many as 500 of an estimated 8,900 polling stations nationwide used voting machines programmed with an artificial cap to limit the number of votes cast in favor of recalling Mr. Chavez.

"We are not going to accept the results until all of these doubts have been cleared up," opposition leader Enrique Mendoza said.

	06-09-2004 10:27									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi It seems strange to me, and suspicious that the results would be very far off the ones predicted just as Venezuela switches to touch-screen voting.

If I only polled Texas oilmen about whether they believed Bush or Kerry was going to win, do you think I'd get a poll that was in anyway accurate?

	06-09-2004 10:28									#46
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Anyway, call us when you find a reputable source.

	06-09-2004 10:30									#47
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Why the hell are you praising Chavez, chegitz? The man murders, is responsible for single handedly collapsing an economy, and screwed up a nation.

	06-09-2004 10:32									#48
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quote: If I only polled Texas oilmen about whether they believed Bush or Kerry was going to win, do you think I'd get a poll that was in anyway accurate?

No, but we don't know that the Venezuelan polls asked the question.

Che, the Globe and Mail is not a reputable source?

Heck, it's not like it's a right wing paper.

	06-09-2004 10:33									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...ment/TopStories

That's not a link to these polls you're lauding, it's an article in a newspaper, which presents some opinions and assumptions as facts- notice no actual evidence of intimidation, either at the polling stations, or in the conduct of the referendum, simply a presumption.
I'd think by now Venezuelans are fairly familiar with the sight of soldiers on the streets.


And yet again, you're presenting allegations and assumptions as facts.

I hope you're not this unduly credulous in the rest of your affairs, otherwise, you may find yourself thinking you own a bridge in Brooklyn.

	06-09-2004 10:39									#50
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quote: June 16 (Bloomberg) -- Venezuelan opposition groups said voters in a referendum on recalling President Hugo Chavez, slated for Aug. 15, may be confused by the wording of the question elections officials selected. The National Electoral Council approved late yesterday the following question, to which voters in the referendum can only answer yes or no: ``Do you agree with rendering ineffective the people's mandate given through legitimate democratic elections to the citizen Hugo Rafael Chavez Frias as president of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela for the current presidential period?''

That might explain everything!

I didn't get a chance to see the real referendum question, but that's a great tactic!

It almost worked for our 'sovereignty association too.

	06-09-2004 10:41									#51
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I don't even think the original elections that brought Chavez to power were legitimate.

	06-09-2004 10:42									#52
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quote: notice no actual evidence of intimidation, either at the polling stations, or in the conduct of the referendum, simply a presumption.

Given the leftist bias of the Globe and Mail, that they would report any intimidation by Chavez is remarkable, and ought to be cited as evidence in favour.

And here's the cite for the previous article.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/new...r=latin_america

	06-09-2004 11:02									#53
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The Globe and Mail is liberal, not leftist. That makes a world of difference when dealing with issues other than American electoral politics. They are just as uneasy with Chavez as the righties are.

	06-09-2004 11:05									#54
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Anyway, call us when you find a reputable source.

the irony

	06-09-2004 11:10									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Given the leftist bias of the Globe and Mail, that they would report any intimidation by Chavez is remarkable, and ought to be cited as evidence in favour. And here's the cite for the previous article. http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/new...r=latin_america

They didn't cite any intimidation. They said:

'Thousands of citizens who had signed the petition that triggered the referendum lost jobs, pensions or suffered harassment.'

Alas none of these 'thousands' are presented to give their views on this alleged intimidation or harassment, and we are somehow meant to conclude a link between the referendum (and presumably not voting 'for' Chavez) and the loss of their jobs and pensions.

The harassment isn't gone into in any detail, nor is it linked with Chavez, or his supporters with any evidence, we're just meant to intuit that, apparently.

'Many feared that their choice would be known to the government, and the ubiquitous presence of machine-gun-toting soldiers inside and outside the polling stations reinforced this concern.'

Gosh, I see police outside polling stations in Great Britain from time to time- should I be worried?

Your name is crossed off a list when you turn up to vote and you're given a slip to vote on- perhaps they're keeping tabs that way too!

So far just more flummery.


Now you can say the Globe and Mial is leftist, and frankly given your politics I'll take that with a metric ton of Maldon sea salt, thanks.

However, it's on the comment page of the Globe and Mail, and the comment is by:

KEN FRANKEL and JOHN GRAHAM.

They aren't Globe and Mial journalists, are they?

In fact they're O.A.S. observers, and this is how they're otherwise employed:

'Ken Frankel, a partner at Hodgson Russ LLP and a board member of the Canadian Foundation for the Americas (FOCAL), and John Graham, former Canadian ambassador to Venezuela and chair of FOCAL' .

FOCAL is described as an independent policy making group (which tells us nothing about its politics) and Hodgson Russ LLP is one of Canada's oldest law firms- again, telling us nothing about the firm's politics, or thsoe of John Graham or Ken Frankel.


So, a few more of Obi Gyn's assumptions and assertions unveiled.

	06-09-2004 11:18									#56
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The liberal assaults on democracy and praise for Chavez is not surprising.

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Now Agathon says that the exit polls were banned, but to me that just adds to the pile of suspicion against Chavez.

They were banned. Why does this add to suspicion? Exit polls are illegal in Canada during federal elections. This is a silly post.

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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse They were banned. Why does this add to suspicion? Exit polls are illegal in Canada during federal elections. This is a silly post.

Canada isn't a legitimate democracy... I knew it!

	06-09-2004 11:53									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker

Hah hah.

Chavez won and you guys are sore losers.

	06-09-2004 11:54									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Well then why haven't the Democrats came to accept the victory of Bush?

Because Chavez won 60-40 and Bush didn't even come close to that...