06-09-2004 19:34									#121
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what a thread!

This is precious- we should save it, just as an example of how delusional some people (Lets be clear, Fez and Ben) can sometimes act on this board.

	06-09-2004 19:50									#122
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Ooh hypocrisy, how I love thee!

	06-09-2004 19:56									#123
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You know, while I love your psychotic nature Drakie Poo, you are no longer even mildly ammusing. In many ways, you are far more noxious than Fez ever could be, for what he says is just simply flat out insane, and hence easy to laugh at. You on the other hand are simply obnoxious, so most of the time one can;t even get a good laugh out of it.

Oh, and to the mods, don't worry about any further flaming- this is all I have to say to Drakie Poo.

	06-09-2004 19:58									#124
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse I wish I could say I feel good having pwn3d Ben and Fez, but it's a hollow achievement.

Like feeling hungry after eating Chinese takeaway.


The problem is they're both of a kind: long on assertions and presumptions (see: Obi Gyn and his polls, the 'leftist' newspaper, and so on) and short on facts.


Well, real facts that is, not 'Coulter' facts or 'oo pop a toony, we gots a loony!' facts.

	06-09-2004 20:07									#125
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quote: I love your psychotic nature Drakie Poo

	06-09-2004 20:24									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo It has to do with political culture. May I recommend a book?

The Guide to the Perfect Latin American Idiot? an autobiography, Fez?

	06-09-2004 20:28									#127
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo It has to do with political culture. May I recommend a book? The Guide to the Perfect Latin American Idiot? an autobiography, Fez?

Either that or something whose title describes Pedro Poopy Pants's assertions quite well:


Jorge Luis Borges's Ficciones/Fictions

	06-09-2004 20:34									#128
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi To say that a leader is loved by his people does not mean that he is loved by those who support him, but that those who disagree with him, also hold him in high esteem.

So if a minority of the public who are used to using violence to get their way historically decide they are willing to use violence to get their way now, that means that everyone hates Chavez?

Ben, you show little to no understanding of Latin American politics. Venezuela does not have a history of peaceful transfer of power. For almost it's entire history, Venezuelan power was transfered at the muzzle of a gun. Liberals (capitalists) and Conservatives (landowners) have been fighting civil wars against each other for nearly two hundred years. It's how they do things there.

The oppostion has already shown a willingness to use violence on numerous occassions, from the coup to attacks on pro-Chavez demostrations. Had there been no soldiers at the polling stations, it' is extremely likely that one side or the other would have tried to use violence to try and shut down the election. It happens all the friggan time in the 3rd World.

If you want to argue that something was amiss in the recent election, first you have to overcome the findings of the international observers, which you have utterly failed to do.

	06-09-2004 20:35									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker the irony

You wish to explain which faulty sources I use?

	06-09-2004 20:43									#130
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This thread has been totally Fezzed.

	06-09-2004 20:55									#131
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Yes, but it's been fun.

Fez is that crazy chick you used to know but moved to the big city and bounces back into town just long enough to make your life a crazy fun hell, then disappears again.

	06-09-2004 21:46									#132
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Chavez gets his marching orders from the Whitehouse.

	06-09-2004 21:54									#133
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They tried that, but then the coup failed.

	06-09-2004 22:32									#134
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@ thread

	06-09-2004 22:35									#135
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Either that or something whose title describes Pedro Poopy Pants's assertions quite well: Jorge Luis Borges's Ficciones/Fictions

I don't think insults are necessary. I get banned for even saying one insult, and you can say them and nothing happens?

	06-09-2004 22:38									#136
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Of course, that turned out to be false. The opposition had been publishing polls up until the referendum which claimed similar support. Western journalists on the ground in Venezuela were predicting a Chavez win nonetheless, and they were right.

I still believe the results were rigged. Touch screen system? You expect them to do it right? And let me ask, why are you so swift in supporting Chavez? The man is nothing but a little Fidel who wants to control everything. He's a power hungry maniac. I said if the Venezuelans want to keep him, fine. They can. They will just realize their f--k ups later, and it will hit them like a bag of bricks.... this is what they will say: "we screwed up in keeping this guy in power. He's the reason why our economy is in the doldrums."

quote: In the case of Florida there is ample evidence that Bush lost, the simple expedient of actually counting the votes proves it. Add to that the widely reported electoral roll fraud and there is a good case.

False. Bush actually won in further studies by even larger margins. If Al Gore got his way, Bush still would of won. Unlike the case of Chavez, there wasn't fraud or vote rigging. Actually counting the votes still shows a Bush victory.

quote: Suck it up, you lost.

No you lost.

	06-09-2004 22:43									#137
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You know something Fez, it must be incredible to live without shame, or modesty, or anything else that normally restrains a person. Very "blond beast" behavior.

	06-09-2004 22:49									#138
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quote: Originally posted by GePap You know something Fez, it must be incredible to live without shame, or modesty, or anything else that normally restrains a person. Very "blond beast" behavior.

No... a better word is flamboyant.

	06-09-2004 23:00									#139
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Fez is..... GAY????

	06-09-2004 23:08									#140
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Fez is..... GAY????

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. If you were to meet me, you would see me wearing all this rainbow stuff, it is kinda obvious.

	06-09-2004 23:55									#141
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara They tried that, but then the coup failed.

Chavez is a US puppet.

	06-09-2004 23:55									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha Chavez is a US puppet.

Just like Fidel is.

	07-09-2004 01:47									#143
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quote: I still believe the results were rigged. Touch screen system? You expect them to do it right?

Like the repugs in Florida this time around.

	07-09-2004 01:55									#144
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quote: Ten people with guns, my disingenuous friend.

Oh heavens, whatever shall we do?

	07-09-2004 02:01									#145
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quote: James Petras, a former Professor of Sociology at Binghamton University, New York, owns a 50 year membership in the class struggle

Gee. I think he's rather euphoric over Chavez's victory.

If Che is allowed to sully sources such as the Globe and Mail, then I can certainly question the accuracy of this source here.

Even so, this is not what I hoped for, the actual polls done before the election, and their results, which is what I was looking for last night to no success.

	07-09-2004 02:07									#146
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quote: So if a minority of the public who are used to using violence to get their way historically decide they are willing to use violence to get their way now, that means that everyone hates Chavez?

Strawman. I never said that everyone hates Chavez, merely that in order for him to claim that he has the love of his people in Venzuela, he must also garner respect from his opposition.

FDR did that, and so did Churchill, and rightly people say they were loved by Americans and the British. But does Venezuela love Chavez under the same standard?

quote: It's how they do things there.

And Chavez has the same claim to legitimacy?

quote: The oppostion has already shown a willingness to use violence on numerous occassions, from the coup to attacks on pro-Chavez demostrations.

So? Chavez came to power through a coup, as you so succintly stated, that's how they do things over there. Why should the opposition be faulted for doing the same to Chavez?

quote: If you want to argue that something was amiss in the recent election, first you have to overcome the findings of the international observers, which you have utterly failed to do.

That I did in the other thread. I am not trying to disparage Carter, I just don't think that he looked for the fraud that occured, and that the opposition alleges occured.

He looked at other things, and found no evidence, but if he looked deeper, I think he would have found evidence of the massive fraud that the opposition claims.

	07-09-2004 02:13									#147
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi That I did in the other thread. I am not trying to disparage Carter, I just don't think that he looked for the fraud that occured, and that the opposition alleges occured. He looked at other things, and found no evidence, but if he looked deeper, I think he would have found evidence of the massive fraud that the opposition claims.

So the opposition, many of whom actually are Venezuelan and live in Venezuela, ALLEGE electoral fraud.


Obi Gyn, not Venezuelan, and I suspect never been there, ASSERTS it occurred.



Quotes 'polls', makes ASSERTIONS based on these 'polls' and can't find 'em.


Gee, Obi Gyn, no wonder Coulter made a comeback as your avatar.


You both have the same respect for facts.

	07-09-2004 02:37									#148
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Just like Fidel is.

unlike Fidel, Chavez sells us oil, fights cafta, and does other pro American stuff. the supplying Castro with oil is just a cover so all the commies think hes one of them.