06-09-2004 11:55									#61
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quote: Originally posted by joncha The Globe and Mail is liberal, not leftist. That makes a world of difference when dealing with issues other than American electoral politics. They are just as uneasy with Chavez as the righties are.

Globe and Mail is as centrist as newspapers get. So you should capitalise Liberals...

	06-09-2004 11:56									#62
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Because Chavez won 60-40 and Bush didn't even come close to that...

Yeah, that includes all the invalid votes and votes casted by dead people. But of course, dead people voting is typical of the commie "democracy".

	06-09-2004 12:28									#63
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quote: Why does this add to suspicion? Exit polls are illegal in Canada during federal elections.

And I think that makes our elections less transparent as well.

Especially given all the election gag laws established.

	06-09-2004 12:31									#64
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quote: They are just as uneasy with Chavez as the righties are.

And why might that be?

If Chavez is against the right, why wouldn't liberals support him?

	06-09-2004 12:43									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Yeah, that includes all the invalid votes and votes casted by dead people. But of course, dead people voting is typical of the commie "democracy".

What did Emeril say to the saucepan?

BAM!

	06-09-2004 12:44									#66
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Because liberals are just as much for the establishment as the conservatives are.

edit: x-post

	06-09-2004 12:44									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi And I think that makes our elections less transparent as well. Especially given all the election gag laws established.

It prevents interference with the actual election process. Polling stations should be free of interference. That includes *******s sitting outside and asking how I voted.

	06-09-2004 12:45									#68
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Same reason there's no electioneering on the day of...

	06-09-2004 12:45									#69
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Edit:

DanSed! by you Joncha.

So Chavez is anti-establishment, and that he obviously supports the common people, unlike the conservatives or the liberals.

I might suggest that if both the liberals and conservatives don't like Chavez, there must be a good reason why.

After all, Hitler was despised by both the liberals and conservatives in Germany.

	06-09-2004 12:47									#70
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It's really funny to see you guys continue to ***** and moan with no evidence of fraud whatsoever and an extraordinarily clear result. Venezuelans love Chavez. You lose.

	06-09-2004 12:47									#71
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse It's really funny to see you guys continue to ***** and moan with no evidence of fraud whatsoever and an extraordinarily clear result. Venezuelans love Chavez. You lose.

Look at yourself please.l

	06-09-2004 12:48									#72
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What point are you trying to make, beautiful?

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I'm arguing against a team consisting of Fez, Ben Kenobi and Ted Striker. However shall I cope?

	06-09-2004 12:49									#74
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse What point are you trying to make, beautiful?

You don't speak with evidence either. And beautiful? LOL

	06-09-2004 12:50									#75
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I feel like if I were really ****ing wasted this would almost be a fair fight...

	06-09-2004 12:50									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo You don't speak with evidence either. And beautiful? LOL

You are making the claim that there was massive fraud. You need the evidence. Especially in light of the fact that there was a significant international observational presence which declared the vote fair.

	06-09-2004 12:51									#77
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Strike 1, BTW.

	06-09-2004 12:51									#78
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse You are making the claim that there was massive fraud. You need the evidence. Especially in light of the fact that there was a significant international observational presence.

Significant international observational presence = Jimmy Carter believeing there is no fraud.

	06-09-2004 12:53									#79
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I'm sorry. You must have missed the fact that Jimmy wasn't down there by himself, and that he merely presented the results of a large team working under him.

Strike 2, or should this be included in strike 1?

	06-09-2004 12:55									#80
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This is like the WMD debate.

"I don't think there are any weapons. Blix and his team of experts say there are none"

"**** Hans Blix. And **** you. And **** the facts. I believe Bush"

6 months later

"Where were all those weapons?"

"Shut the **** up. What's done is done. Let's move on"

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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse I'm sorry. You must have missed the fact that Jimmy wasn't down there by himself, and that he merely presented the results of a large team working under him. Strike 2, or should this be included in strike 1?

Strike 2? Shove it.

Jimmy Carter said it himself he believed it was legitimate. But there isn't a time when an election in Latin America is legitimate. The multi-party systems in Latin America are naturally corrupt.

	06-09-2004 12:55									#82
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quote: It prevents interference with the actual election process.

How do exit polls interfere with the election process?

Exit polls are another layer of preventation from election fraud, because the end results are supposed to reasonably correlate with these polls.

Discreprencies are always a concern, regardless of whether there exists actual fraud or not, and should be investigated.

quote: That includes *******s sitting outside and asking how I voted.

Right, but does that justify the far-ranging gag laws against advertising during the entire election campaign by third parties? If you ask me, Canada mimicks many characteristics of a tolitarian state.

	06-09-2004 12:56									#83
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse This is like the WMD debate. "I don't think there are any weapons. Blix says there are none" "**** Hans Blix. And **** you. And **** the facts. I believe Bush" 6 months later "Where were all those weapons?" "Shut the **** up. What's done is done. Let's move on"

That's bullshit. WMDs were a good reason and for all I know they are still in Iraq. Afterall, WMDs have already been found.

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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Jimmy Carter said it himself he believed it was legitimate. But there isn't a time when an election in Latin America is legitimate. The multi-party systems in Latin America are naturally corrupt.

? You're beginning to delve into the delusional. Is there a point in mentioning the multi-party system? Does this somehow increase corruption? If so, please explain. If not, hit yourself on the head and reboot. Syntax error!

	06-09-2004 12:58									#85
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse ? You're beginning to delve into the delusional. Is there a point in mentioning the multi-party system? Does this somehow increase corruption? If so, please explain. If not, hit yourself on the head and reboot. Syntax error!

It has to do with political culture. May I recommend a book?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=books&n=507846

	06-09-2004 13:00									#86
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quote: Venezuelans love Chavez.

That must be why he has to have armed guards by the polling booths, eh? And why he needs to have international observation of his elections.

Many people do not want Chavez, and he faces, at the least, significant opposition within his own country, of the sort willing to uprise in order to depose Chavez. This to me strikes against the principle that Venezuelans love Chavez.

If they did, Chavez would not have to try to weasal out an election.

And BTW, do you think their referendum question is clearer than the one in Quebec? Someone who is loved by his people doesn't need to try to con them.

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Venezuelans love Chavez? That explains why Chavez must show his love in the form of gunning down civilians.

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi How do exit polls interfere with the election process?

Because there is no reason I should be accosted by the media at the place of voting.

quote: Exit polls are another layer of preventation from election fraud, because the end results are supposed to reasonably correlate with these polls.

Unless people lie about who they voted for. Thank you, I'll take invigilators any day of the week over some pseudoscientific poll which relies on the truthfulness of the general public.

quote: Discreprencies are always a concern, regardless of whether there exists actual fraud or not, and should be investigated.

Given that there were no exit polls conducted, I find it hard to take opposition reports of discrepancies seriously

quote: Right, but does that justify the far-ranging gag laws against advertising during the entire election campaign by third parties? If you ask me, Canada mimicks many characteristics of a tolitarian state.

a)

b) what does that have to do with the question at hand? I have made no statements regarding political speech law except those with a direct impact on voters travelling to and from polls.

	06-09-2004 13:03									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo That's bullshit. WMDs were a good reason and for all I know they are still in Iraq. Afterall, WMDs have already been found.

	06-09-2004 13:03									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo It has to do with political culture. May I recommend a book? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=books&n=507846

Useless response. Foul ball.