08-09-2004 15:28									#61
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quote: gain tons of jobs

How about we engage in an avatar bet? If I can find trustworthy data that states that there has been a net job loss since Bush's inaugeration you have to use an avatar of my choice for 2 months. If I cannot, I have to use the avatar of your choice for 2 months.

	08-09-2004 15:31									#62
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quote: Originally posted by dannubis not quite up there... as far as the economy concerns you're still recovering... you 'liberated' iraq, whatever that means for the average iraqi you liberated afghanisthan, backed by the entire international community : so ok, this point i will give you, half a thing done right. in sudan nothing happens, in lybia nothing happens ... you'll have to do better than this, boy

Wrongo. The economy is growing at quite a good pace (it isn't recovering, as it isn't coming up from any recent recession). The US liberated Iraq (I didn't liberate Iraq, so don't say "you"). The average Iraqi is far better off now then they ever were. Afghanistan is liberated. In Sudan nothing happens? How about the brokering of peace? And in Libya nothing happens? How about the opening of Libya and the complete removal of NBCs?

You have to do better then a crappy reply like that. But I must be going to bed. Learn how to debate please.

	08-09-2004 15:32									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko How about we engage in an avatar bet? If I can find trustworthy data that states that there has been a net job loss since Bush's inaugeration you have to use an avatar of my choice for 2 months. If I cannot, I have to use the avatar of your choice for 2 months.

I was referring to the job gains of the past 11 months. But lets talk the past 11 months..

	08-09-2004 15:56									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo quote: the liberal would say hi, have a conversation, maybe ask why, then suckerpunch the bastard. the conservative would just beat the **** out of him. at least that's the case if they're both americans. it's just different bedside manners, you fool. Wrong again. Liberals are too weak to punch.

Q^3, I think you just got successfully trolled by Fez. I give it a 10/10 for perfect execution.

	08-09-2004 19:24									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Joseph For you liberal. 3 Arab men are in front of your house taking measurement and drawing a sketch of your neigherhood, what do you do? According to you liberal, take no action because they are just making a drawing and have every right to make a drawing. For us Conservative, we call the police, take pictures of them with a gun in hand and maybe shoot the SOBs if they do anything stupid.

Why would I shoot my architects?

	08-09-2004 19:52									#66
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara There is no depth to which Republicans won't sink. The worst trick the pull is appearing human and even friendly. If they were forced to wear their true forms, the undead would never win another election.

Well, at least our women are good looking!

	08-09-2004 19:54									#67
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You know, if Kerry has his way and guts the Patriot Act as proposed (fat chance of course), we would be far less able to prevent another attack. Dick Cheney is correct in his analysis.

	08-09-2004 20:07									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Joseph For you liberal. 3 Arab men are in front of your house taking measurement and drawing a sketch of your neigherhood, what do you do? According to you liberal, take no action because they are just making a drawing and have every right to make a drawing. For us Conservative, we call the police, take pictures of them with a gun in hand and maybe shoot the SOBs if they do anything stupid.

You can't take measurements in front of a house.

Do arabs in your neighborhood all wear beards and turbans and salwar kameez or jubba? Or do you just see greasy looking brown people and decide "let's get the sand niggers!"

Unless you have a damn good reason more than three men making a sketch, if you draw a weapon on three people, let alone "shoot them if they do anything stupid" you deservedly would get your ass locked up. Otherwise, every would-be cowboy would be popping every brown person who might look like an arab.

	08-09-2004 20:09									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Ned You know, if Kerry has his way and guts the Patriot Act as proposed (fat chance of course), we would be far less able to prevent another attack. Dick Cheney is correct in his analysis.

Bullshit. The intelligence failures that led to 9/11 do not in any case have any basis in the absence at the time of any provision of the PATRIOT Act.

	08-09-2004 21:17									#70
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quote: Helped the economy gain tons of jobs, liberated Iraq, gave taxes to the middle and upper classes, jump started the economy as a whole, shall I go on? Liberated Afghanistan.. got Muammoar Qadafi to give up all of his weapons... got Sudan to come to the table and talk over the region of Dafur...

'cept there's a net loss of jobs. 'cept the lower middle class got shafted. the rest i don't have a problem with.

quote: Q^3, I think you just got successfully trolled by Fez. I give it a 10/10 for perfect execution.

kuci, that was me having fun. you do realize that most everything i said in this thread was with a tongue-in-cheek attitude, no?
1/10 for comprehension.

quote: Well, at least our women are good looking!

coulter, lynn cheney, and laura bush are not attractive. the bush sisters, physically, but otherwise, no.
that said, i can't name any attractive high-profile dems.

	08-09-2004 21:26									#71
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quote: Wrong again. Liberals are too weak to punch.

I'd like to see you box my gf.

She can be so much more aggressive than the girls from Audition and My Sassy Girl combined.

	08-09-2004 21:48									#72
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	08-09-2004 21:58									#73
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Bullshit. The intelligence failures that led to 9/11 do not in any case have any basis in the absence at the time of any provision of the PATRIOT Act.

MtG, You have got to be kidding. The central pre 9/11 failure of lack of interagency communication was corrected by the Patriot Act.

You knew that, didn't you?

	08-09-2004 22:01									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: Well, at least our women are good looking! coulter, lynn cheney, and laura bush are not attractive. the bush sisters, physically, but otherwise, no. that said, i can't name any attractive high-profile dems.

Britney Spears is a Bush supporter.

	08-09-2004 22:03									#75
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It wasn't inter-agency communication that was the problem. It was intra-agency communication that was the problem, which was exacerbated by the message the new administration sent which was that terrorism wasn't considered an important problem. The FBI had all the information necessary to put two and two together, and had they been directed by the Adminstration, which was being warned daily about the severity of the threat, they might have put two and two together. Instead, two and two were kept in seperate rooms, so the FBI never knew they had four.

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	08-09-2004 22:04									#76
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quote: Britney Spears is a Bush supporter.

I've said this many times, and I'll say this many times again. Britney Spears is a whore, plastic, and plain and simple, not very bright. That makes her pretty damn unattractive.

Try again. This time, hopefully you'll point out someone with class.

	08-09-2004 22:05									#77
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And, Dems, get off the "net job loss" bit. Bush inherited a recession which was compounded by 9/11 in his first fiscal year, a budget given him by Clinton. As soon as the major Bush tax cuts became effective last summer, the economy took off. Those tax cuts were delayed and opposed in large measure by you know who. Had the Dems had their way, we would still be in a recession.

So drop it, will you?

	08-09-2004 22:10									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Ned So drop it, will you?

Why should they? It's where Bush is vulnerable.

	08-09-2004 23:24									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo ... Liberated Afghanistan...

You are kidding, right? The only control the Afghani government has is over Kabul's Village Square and not even the whole square at that. The rest of Afghanistan is happily ruled by the same old warlords and the same old Taliban from before the "liberation." And did I mention that opium production is at an all time high?

	09-09-2004 01:00									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij You are kidding, right? The only control the Afghani government has is over Kabul's Village Square and not even the whole square at that. The rest of Afghanistan is happily ruled by the same old warlords and the same old Taliban from before the "liberation." And did I mention that opium production is at an all time high?

You are ridiculous. The Afghan National Army is growing in size and is about 30,000. It is taking over more and more. A new high way was built connecting Kabul to Kandahar.

	09-09-2004 01:12									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo You are ridiculous. The Afghan National Army is growing in size and is about 30,000. It is taking over more and more. A new high way was built connecting Kabul to Kandahar.

quote: A British House of Commons Foreign Affairs committee report found that about 10,000 members of the ANA had been trained as of 15 June 2004. According to a report published by the International Crisis Group in March 2004, the ANA's establishment was below coalition targets, was not ethnically representative of the population, and suffered from a high rate of desertion. A mid-March 2004 estimate suggested that 3000 soldiers had deserted. In the summer of 2003 the desertion rate was 10%.

Oh, and might I add, all of these deserters pretty much made off with National Army Uniforms and guns.

There is no control outside of the major cities, and only moderate control over those. To even think about refuting that just goes against basic common sense, not to mention reports made by governments and media outlets worldwide.

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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Bullshit. The intelligence failures that led to 9/11 do not in any case have any basis in the absence at the time of any provision of the PATRIOT Act.

Wouldn't it make it easier to catch the Timothy McVeighs that are out there? We can't rely on foreign intelligence for all of our terrorist tips.

	09-09-2004 01:18									#83
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I hear 30,000. And yes they are gaining control outside of major cities. But lets talk frank here, you liberals want the country to get fixed overnight and it doesn't work like that. It'll take years.

	09-09-2004 01:22									#84
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You hear 30,000...doesn't make it true, dude.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...nistan/army.htm

http://www.house.gov/hasc/GoodNews/Afghanarmy.html

About 7,500, well below coalition hopes of 40,000.

Hey, I supported going into Afghanistan...I didn't support choosing to focus on Iraq almost immediatly after the Taliban fell.

	09-09-2004 01:31									#85
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous You hear 30,000...doesn't make it true, dude. http://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...nistan/army.htm http://www.house.gov/hasc/GoodNews/Afghanarmy.html About 7,500, well below coalition hopes of 40,000. Hey, I supported going into Afghanistan...I didn't support choosing to focus on Iraq almost immediatly after the Taliban fell.

I question that number of 7,500 and wonder where it is from? From some committee full of democrats? We increased the amount of troops in Afghanistan recently by the way, so we didn't take attention off it. And now look! They have 80% of their voting population registered to vote. Something I thought that wouldn't be possible.

	09-09-2004 01:31									#86
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We have not spent enough on Afghanistan to reach our targets.

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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo I question that number of 7,500 and wonder where it is from? From some committee full of democrats? We increased the amount of troops in Afghanistan recently by the way, so we didn't take attention off it. And now look! They have 80% of their voting population registered to vote. Something I thought that wouldn't be possible.

Uh, it was found by the UK Ministry of Defense...which is under the government of US Ally Tony Blair...

	09-09-2004 01:45									#88
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous Uh, it was found by the UK Ministry of Defense...which is under the government of US Ally Tony Blair...

Why do you even bother? Its not like it will change anything, trying to reason.

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Gian, I bet you could be given a piece of paper with the letter "A" on it and told that the paper says "A" by a liberal and would question the **** out of it until the person talking to you got so fed up with trying to prove something that shouldn't have to be proven that he would explode.

EDIT: Because, GePap, I still have another 4 days until classes start, and its raining out.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara There is no depth to which Republicans won't sink. The worst trick the pull is appearing human and even friendly. If they were forced to wear their true forms, the undead would never win another election.

And Kerry has said essentially the same thing about Bush. He has said that Bush is the wrong choice, that he has made the world less safe, that terrorist are stronger now etc...

So it's ok for Kerry to say that sort of thing about Bush but not okay for Cheney to say it about Kerry?